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John C. Morley: (00:00)
They're not present.
Jonathan Miller: (00:01)
Most of the schools, especially more recently have come out with behavioral threat assessment teams and counselors, and tip lines. So that, I mean, it goes back to what it was.
John C. Morley: (00:14)
Hello, everyone. It's that time for the JMOR Tech Talk Show. Where we answer questions about technology, explain the way they should work and why they don't sometimes, and here is your host, John C. Morley.
John C. Morley: (00:33)
Well, hey everybody. It is John C. Morley serial entrepreneur here and welcomes once again to another fantastic episode of the JMOR Tech Talk Show. It's great to have my wonderful co-host here, Marcus, how are you doing today?
Marcus: (00:48)
Doing outstanding, John how is it going?
John C. Morley: (00:50)
We are doing great. I have to tell you, this is an amazing episode. We just keep getting better and better and Jonathan Miller, who I've been alluding to a little bit, he's going to be joining us, later in the program and he is the president of the Bergen county association of school security professionals. He is a retired captain of police. So, kudos out to Jonathan, he'll be joining us a little bit later and you're going to want to catch what he has to say. All right now, Walmart is doing something they claim quietly but nothing Walmart ever does is quiet.
Marcus: (01:41)
No, you came this big blue.
John C. Morley: (01:45)
Exactly. So Walmart is entering meta that metaspace. I know they call it the metaverse for a universe like meta because meta is the new Facebook. So what, Walmart has been caught with their hand in the cookie jar doing is filing some paperwork on some trademarks on implying to sell things and make virtual products such as sporting goods, personal care products, toys, home decor, and electronics stuff that they're going to be selling virtually not pushing in the stores and so Walmart will be offering consumers these interesting things, they call them NFTs, Non-Fungible Tokens. So that is non-fungible tokens and cryptocurrency. I don't like the sound of that Marcus.
Marcus: (02:54)
No. Wal-Mart for a long time has driven out other big box stores and you can't trust them. You can't trust them.
John C. Morley: (03:08)
I agree and I hope they're not somebody that's going to be set a precedence for other stores because I don't think it's developed enough for everybody to just jump in. So the Metaverse is real, it's for small business owners and those are the ones that should be paying attention. The people that are embracing this in case you are wondering it's not our millennia or our generation. It's our generation Z. Those who are 25, 26-year-olds, and they already know what's happening and they're starting to invest in it. The millennials have no interest and the generation, X's have no interest. So this is going to be very interesting what happens and we're just going to have to keep an eye on it and see what our big friend Walmart is doing but I guarantee you, some other stores are going to be filing along very soon because it's like whatever the Jones is doing we'll it too.
Marcus: (04:00)
Exactly and you know I can't say if this is a good thing or not.
John C. Morley: (04:07)
I can't say that either because Walmart just jumps on things because they think they're going to make money but they don't always make money. We'll keep following that for you, ladies and gentlemen, all I say to you is be cautious. It comes to meta, especially metaverse. You need to know what you're doing and just don't jump in. I was never a big proponent of cryptocurrency and it seems like it died without speaking at a turn here and it's because the IRS and the government are putting new rules on all these institutions that are outside of like, let's say your state and your country. People are going to be slapping fines on others. Very soon as they start noticing they're making money, they said they were going to be protected but they're not Marcus.
Marcus: (04:52)
No, not at all.
John C. Morley: (04:54)
Well, I have to tell you, I am very pleased. The gentleman I've known for a little while. His name is Jonathan Miller. He is the president, as it says, they're on the ticker of the Bergen county association for security professionals. He was an EMT and he is also a retired captain of police. He also has an extended array of experience in security. The thing about Jonathan that I like is that he has not only done so much for the community and he has the spirit to want to be able to take his professional career and help children, staff, faculty, and others create awareness. I am just so pleased and grateful to have him on the JMOR Tech Talk Show. Please help me welcome ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Jonathan Miller. Again, who is the president of the Bergen county association for security professionals? Well, welcome once again Jonathan, it is a pleasure to have you on the JMOR Tech Talk Show to give us some highlights and insights about security and I guess things that we take for grant every day.
Jonathan Miller: (06:04)
Yeah. Thank you, John and I appreciate your inviting me on, it's been a while since we were able to connect with this and I'm glad we were finally able to make this work this afternoon.
John C. Morley: (06:13)
I am glad as well and I know a lot of our viewers are going to get benefit from what we have to talk about today. So, given COVID, Jonathan, everything that's happening, I think sometimes security is getting lacking because of COVID and we're not doing things the way we normally do or we're getting too tight but we're missing things. I think that's exposing not only kids but everyone and schools and places to this threat that could maybe be a behavioral problem. It could be a physical problem. What do you think about that Jonathan?
Jonathan Miller: (06:50)
Well, first off, look at what we're doing now. Everybody is all masked up. So we have, if you walked into a store prepay pandemic wearing a mask, I think the proprietors there would've gotten very nervous and said, "Oh, it looks like I'm going to be getting robbed here and that's going to be a problem." Now, I think what we're looking at is it's become a norm. We're used to it but it's made it difficult for us in a school setting to always know the faces of those individuals who are coming into our buildings. For the most part, those who are working security, the working in the front desk, they know who is coming into their schools but now you have somebody who comes in they're completely masked. You may not recognize who that individual is, so you're stopping, you are questioning them a little bit more.
Jonathan Miller: (07:40)
Some people may feel well I belong here, I work here, why are you questioning me? And be somewhat incensed to the fact that they did have somebody stopping questioning them. So I don't know if it's gotten less but the way that we've approached the security of it is get taken a different angle security people have had to become a little bit more aggressive, using a little bit more ingenuity to deal with some of the issues that they have. It's got to be a more hands-on approach and more interviewing before they even are brought somebody into the building. I know that's what we're doing here in the schools that I work with. It's more of an interview process before that person even enters the first door of the school. What is your name and why are you here?
John C. Morley: (08:38)
I think that's a great premise. A lot of times you might have a significant other, a parent, or a relative go to pick something up but the school doesn't know who that parent is, and even with those secure ID systems that came out, I forget how many years it was, where they would scan your license and that's not a hundred percent foolproof, and then they print a badge out and then supposedly you go inside and this all happened because of that shooting that happened right. Many years ago.
Jonathan Miller: (09:04)
Yeah, they've. Most of these places have increased the security aspects that they have. So in many places, it used to be, let's write your name down your driver's license on a piece of paper. Maybe I'm going to hold onto your keys when you go for your, whatever you're doing within the school building. Well, now it's completely different. Just like you said, we're scanning that driver's license. So we've obtained the pictures, we've obtained your driver's license number other identifying characteristics of the individual. In many cases, they're doing a double-check and they're running that individual through the sexual offender registry to make sure that there are not any other concerns with that visitor who's coming in. So it's taken a big turn. There are a lot of companies out there that have kind of jumped on it and there are some excellent companies that do a good job as far as creating appropriate logs for your visitor access management system. It is really important, again, a couple of years ago, four years ago, it did not exist.
John C. Morley: (10:13)
And so our whole landscape is changing to how we deal with security at school. We were having a very great conversation. I know on an ally, not too long ago about cameras and there's an issue about cameras. I get that they're important. We both agree with that but certain places are not going to be. They're not going to be in a restroom but if they're in a school are they taking away, which is my concern, people's security. Now we could say they are minors, we could say it's their protection but do they need to be in every classroom? Is that getting a little bit too far?
Jonathan Miller: (10:52)
Right now in New Jersey, at least you do not have cameras in classrooms at all. They're in common areas in hallways, in cafeterias, they're in gyms but the individual classrooms are not. I think what you were referring to was something, some proposed legislation in Florida to put them into the classroom.
John C. Morley: (11:13)
Yes, exactly.
Jonathan Miller: (11:14)
And that's nothing that's come up to this area as of yet, I haven't seen anything even suggesting any of that but the importance of good quality cameras throughout a school district is, they're used as investigative tools. Are they deterrents? Yes, deterrents, are a deterrent in many ways. So that a student knows that if they're involved in a fight or if they're involved in a theft or something of that nature it's going to get captured on video for the most part.
Jonathan Miller: (11:47)
So that may deter them and if a crime or a theft or something does happen we have like throughout all neighborhoods now with ring and similar type cameras. We have incredible investigative tools out there that 8, 10 years ago, they did not have. So our cameras throughout most of the schools have gone from a basic analog camera system on a VHS recording or a DVD recording to terabytes of storage that we are using now. With high-definition cameras, you don't see facial recognition throughout schools. That's something that's not here yet but we do have just the recording of individuals for safety and security purposes, which works well.
John C. Morley: (12:37)
And I think also although the technology is out, it's not in schools yet where we can count people, we can count certain things, we can set objects. So we know if that's a person, is that a trash can, what is that? And it can cause trips.
Jonathan Miller: (12:56)
So, right. So, a lot of the software that out does have the ability to distinguish, and it's to distinguish between an individual walking into a building that may have a gun versus an umbrella and if it picks up on a weapon, then it's going to send an alert to their security department to say, "Hey look, this is something that should not be or we believe it to be, could be a false positive. We believe it to be a weapon." It does just like you're saying, it's learning software. So it's learning the difference between a person, a bicycle, a car, and an animal that's on your grounds. As this starts to grow, I'm sure that software could be implemented to say somebody's walking their dog on the grass of the school and they're not supposed to make a proper notification again.
John C. Morley: (13:51)
There is software out there now that does that. It's very expensive and it's AI and it learns. So usually within a couple of days, the software can learn a behavior, which gets me right into another question that I want to ask you. Behavioral threat assessment and how it's used in school settings but I want to ask differently. Of course, that's important. I want to know what happens because sometimes the problem can happen with the student. Like maybe they bring in a weapon or they bring in something, it could be a knife or something. So what are schools doing? Let's talk about both of those things. How are we combating to make sure students don't make the school unsafe? And what are we doing to make sure that other behavioral threats are not present?
Jonathan Miller: (14:34)
Most of the schools especially more recently have come out with behavioral threat assessment teams and counselors and tip lines. So that it goes back to what was, that's been said a while ago. If you see something, say something and students have been good about that. They come back and they'll alert a principal or a trusted teacher. I saw something on somebody's snap. I saw something on somebody's Insta and putting that information out there, the student is doing it. The other student is coming back and they're making and they're saying, "Hey look, this is making me feel uncomfortable." There is a lot of PSAs that have been put out that say how important this is and that's the first step we try to go out and make sure that as public safety, public security, professionals working in schools, we want to make sure that the teachers know, "Hey, if you see a change in attitude in the student, don't just write it off as they may be an off day for them, they may be cranky", maybe it is but talk to that student, find out if they're okay because something may be going on.
Jonathan Miller: (15:49)
And that sort of interaction with that student may bring them to a point saying, Hey, I need some help. I've got some stuff going on here and before it erupts into some type of a tragic situation." So the behavioral threat assessment teams, they're the ones who will get called in if they find a student as an issue. So it may be a counselor, a trained counselor, it may be a principal. It may be a teacher, it may be somebody who's part of the public or the school security professional and they meet with the student. There is a series of questions that they should ask and it kind of dictates the actions that they take it may, they just need to speak further with the counselor or it may say we need to get law enforcement involved with it, whatever the case is, these teams are critical in today's environment.
John C. Morley: (16:46)
I think it's really important. I know, definitely in our town, as police and first responders are very of with the schools.
Jonathan Miller: (16:53)
Absolutely.
John C. Morley: (16:54)
To a point that many of the students, I won't say all of them but they feel that the police are their friend and I agree with that too. I think some people will think I'm crazy but I always feel if you're on the right side of the law, they are there to help you. So I think a lot of people from what you watch on TV, it scars the students. So how do we preclude that?
Jonathan Miller: (17:18)
It's the right person for the position and the police departments are well aware of this. Years ago, you'd find somebody who just was happy working in a school put them there and now it's a much more highly trained individual who wants to be there, who wants to work with the kids who have the attitude the proper attitude for getting into the school and connecting with the students and that's what they want. This is what it's about is to connect with them on multiple levels to be able to talk with them about maybe problems that they have at home, problems that they're having with the partner problems that they're having in school with learning issues possibly.
Jonathan Miller: (18:09)
And this way they have this individual maybe not connected with the school directly but in a position where they can find a confidant in this person so that they can say, "Hey, look, I'm having some problems," and this officer as a school resource officer is trained and knows how to approach the student and the resources. It's not necessarily the school-to-prison pipeline that so many people look at, the officers are not there to arrest the kids. They're there to work them too. I've seen many videos that have been posted that an officer's worked for four or five, maybe eight years at a school then has moved on to a different assignment. The officers and the kids are in tears when they've left because they've made so many great connections there and that's really what it's about those connections.
John C. Morley: (19:07)
You know what it's like, Jonathan, it's like what I call the pulse. They have a pulse of the school and every kid, you go to the security bill, they know what it should be. In the EMT world, we talk about heart pressure and blood pressure but in a school, they can sense if that kid's off and they could be a little more involved with that person to see what's going on and interview them but in a non-threatening way. I think that's the biggest thing. It's, non-threatening, it's trying to just help you and also they know that if they do get in trouble and this person, that's their friend, "Well, what are you doing to me? I went to bet for you Jimmy, what are you doing here? I mean, I went to bet, I told them that you didn't mean to do that. What are you doing here?"
Jonathan Miller: (19:58)
They do have that relationship and in some cases, they're going beyond that student but they're going with the student's family and helping that student's family, maybe they need certain supplies for school whatever the case is. I've seen great stories about how the school resource officer has come to the aid of multiple students. Probably more so than on the other side, where they've taken that student and they've had to bring that student back to the station for a criminal situation and look, I'm not going to say if the officer has a commitment and a duty to make an arrest, they will but in most cases, they don't. How do we resolve it on the lowest level? Instilling the trust of that student.
John C. Morley: (20:50)
It reminds me of something being a licensed ham radio operator that the FCC doesn't want to police us. So they have a volunteer network of people that police everybody so that you self-regulate and they're not out there to go after you there. They'll say, "Hey, that's not what we're supposed to be doing or that's a great behavior." That's great amateur practice and I think it sounds like you're doing the same thing. You're trying to stroke them when they're doing something great but you're also trying to give them a change of pathway when they're maybe not doing the right thing. That's going to be safe for them or others and I think that's important but it also isn't just with the students and security, it's also with the office and the staff and people like that because the biggest challenge is when people come in and they're always mad at the office and then the office wants to break rules but they can't and if they do, it's going to sacrifice the students, the school and possibly put that school in a threat position.
Jonathan Miller: (21:58)
Everybody has their functions that they have to fulfill here and without question, the office staff wants to do as much as they can for it. If specifically, if you're referring to bringing people into the building look at the schools, they're the bigger districts in this particular area, employ thousands and thousands of people and each person comes into the school setting with their issues that they're bringing from home faculty staff. So it's just as important for faculty and staff to have a place to vent to if they have a question about something that's going on at home. They need to be able to speak to whether it's that school resource officer or it's the school security professional, who has, in general, they're retired police officers who have a little bit of advantage because they have those years of knowledge as working in a law enforcement field.
Jonathan Miller: (23:11)
So, the situations as we've seen out there are not just limited to student interactions but also faculty and staff working in these buildings who may come in with their issues and we want them also to be safe and just because somebody's spouse is at the front door wanting to come in, that person has to go through the same vetting process as a student or a parent. We want to make sure that we're not allowing anybody into a school that should not be there. There may be temporary restraining orders against somebody, something of that nature. So it's all-encompassing. It's not just dealing with students and student issues but it's the whole school campus that you're looking at, you have to look at holistically.
John C. Morley: (24:07)
That's a good point because I always thought about it from the student perspective and the teachers but never really thought about it that's good about the fact that we don't think about the fact that there could be negative behavior or challenges that happen. You got to keep the entire environment safe where the ecosystem. Not just the students, you got to keep the whole environment safe.
Jonathan Miller: (24:26)
Yeah. Absolutely.
John C. Morley: (24:28)
You're involved in something else. You're a certified Alice, am I saying that correct?
Jonathan Miller: (24:34)
Yes
John C. Morley: (24:35)
Tell our audience what that is and I think one of the biggest things I noticed Jonathan that you bring to the table is not just your passion for wanting to help and protect people, which is from your police background I gather but I think the most important thing I like is that you have so much experience and so much diverse experience that I think helps let people see things from a different perspective. People always say one person said, Dr. Twain Dyer, "When you change the way you look at things, that things you look at change." And I think when you give people a different perspective, I think you start opening some eyes, don't you?
Jonathan Miller: (25:13)
I think I come in here with a great advantage. I knew years before I had retired as an active police officer that I wanted to get involved in school security. So I started taking, I was involved with the schools and the agency that I was working with and was lucky enough to get into a good school district to work there but I also took as many classes as I could take to get a full rounded picture of it but you don't know what's going on until you're working in the system because each building has its own culture and climate to it that makes it. I found it fascinating how it same area, same environment, how we have so many differences, each building running really kind of differently, all the same goals, all the same direction but each building runs in a different culture and climate which is great.
Jonathan Miller: (26:14)
So you have to adapt to each one of those. So I take my experiences as law enforcement, my knowledge, and education working as a school security professional and make that into something usable for the school, personnel, the faculty, and staff there. I try to train them in a manner that I would find interesting. Having sat through as many of us have classes that you were falling asleep at or you're pulling your hair out because they were so boring. I want them to be engaged with me. I want them to be paying attention because not only is my topic important but it could save your life and it's like many of us who get on a plane and we don't pay attention to the instructions and when something bad were to happen here we are looking at it going, how do I unbuckle my seatbelt? So, I want the teachers to know what's going on. So there are many aspects of the training that I'm sure as a teacher you never thought you were going to get into you. Weren't going to be dealing with lockdowns, evacuations, shelter, places, and so on but it is a reality of what we have to do today. You have to know where your students are going and how you are going to address them.
John C. Morley: (27:45)
And why they're going there. What purpose are they going there for?
Jonathan Miller: (27:48)
What they're for a buy-in of the stakeholders is a hundred percent correct.
John C. Morley: (27:53)
Before we were talking about Alice, which we were finishing, what is Alice? There are two important things. One is Alice and I think the other one is called Adam? They're two names. I know one's Adam and one's Alice, right?
Jonathan Miller: (28:04)
Alice is an acronym for a company that uses its alert, lockdown inform, counter and evacuate. So that's what the acronym stands for. I don't want to touch stay high on the side of it because that's a specific private company but all of these tools are just means to educate your population
John C. Morley: (28:36)
Adam is the same thing as well.
Jonathan Miller: (28:39)
I'm not familiar with Adam.
John C. Morley: (28:40)
I forget Adam is the something that if someone gets lost in-store, like a department store, they do a code, Adam.
Jonathan Miller: (28:49)
Okay, that one I'm not familiar with.
John C. Morley: (28:52)
It is a missing child safety program in the United States. It started in 1994 and I don't know all the details but when they call a code Adam, they lock all the doors and no one gets in, it gets out until they find that missing person.
Jonathan Miller: (29:04)
Hospitals have similar things, it might be a code gray if they have a missing patient, somebody who has got out of bed so that everybody's looking for them. Our prime concern here is putting the students on alert that there is a situation going on and making sure that the faculty staff and the students all know what's happening. When I do any training with students specifically and they're looking at me going, this is ridiculous. Why do I need to know this stuff? Because they go to the mall, they go to college they're going to the workplace, these same basic aspects of what we're training here will be carried with them throughout the rest of their life. Probably about what seven years ago or so here in New Jersey.
Jonathan Miller: (30:03)
We had an active shooter at one of our big malls here and in Paramus and I had an occasion, I was still in the police department then to train a group of individuals and one of them had said to me, I was at the mall. I was in a store at that mall and this was an older person who said I had no idea what to do. I panicked out of their mind and a younger person there who was working at the store probably 16, 17 years old, an employee there said we need to go and lockdown and took that person by the hand, brought them back to our room did all the things that they learned in school and made that person feel more comfortable and safe. It's terrible that we have to think about these things today but this is the environment and so it is something that whatever you call it, whatever method that you use to remember it is, if you see something, you have to say something and if something is going on, get yourself safe and when you can and it's safe, call 911, let them know where you are. If a lot of places now are switching over to the ability to text their police departments and to be able to run that way.
John C. Morley: (31:30)
And they have reverse 911 to that just came out, I think a few years ago. So if you dial 911 and let's say it's busy, which you should never be but if it is and you hang up on your cell phone, it locks your cell phone for a minute or two and it will automatically dial back. You won't be able to dial out it automatically dials you back to another 911 location operator.
Jonathan Miller: (31:51)
The technology is getting more and more just incredible. They can locate you but on your phone if you give them the ability to do it. Some police departments I know there's, there are some changes that are coming with it and I don't know all the details on it, but it allows you with, by, by opening up essentially your phone the police department can use your camera and they can see what's going on through your camera. These are things that are not in place in school. There is a lot of regulations in regards to it. We can't stop what the students are live streaming in an emergency. We've seen the video from the last shooting that occurred that some kids, I think put out on Insta but these things are, these are technologies that are out there in regards to saying that you're safe in that you're securing your area for learning students learning, a faculty and staff of situations.
Jonathan Miller: (33:01)
Many different companies have some great technology that's being utilized across districts. One of the things that in many places and obviously with Alyssa's law here in New Jersey we have to have panic buttons in the school rules and in many places you hit that panic button. It immediately makes an announcement. It alerts the police departments and will put the school into lockdown. It will lock doors, flash, alerting lights, so that somebody driving by, knows that the school is in a lockdown situation. So one button does it all we built.
John C. Morley: (33:42)
DW didn't have that several years ago.
Jonathan Miller: (33:43)
We did not. It was the ability to integrate those things while you may have had separate items, the ability to integrate them was not there. It is there today.
John C. Morley: (33:53)
Now, what's important. I think what I'm hearing is not just the technology, being an engineer I think the most important thing besides the technology is important but it's not the most important. I think the people, the training is important but I think the people are the most important part and I want to ask a question generally if I can, what advice would you give to a school that is concerned or whatever they're hiring people now, they're doing background checks. We all know they do basic background checks. What else should they be doing? Or are there certain questions you can share with us that you're comfortable sharing with us about to make sure that this is a good person to bring onboard? Are there a few, couple of tips you could share besides a background check? I don't think that's enough.
Jonathan Miller: (34:35)
Unfortunately, that's an area kind of out of my expertise with it. I don't deal with the background investigation side of it. I know the schools have a pretty robust means to vet individuals but beyond that is beyond what, something I could speak properly on.
John C. Morley: (34:57)
I'm as sure it's probably something like an interview process, very similar to I'm sure. Just feel their motives because like what you mentioned before they get their license scan but that doesn't mean they didn't commit a crime five minutes ago. Like that's only updated people don't realize that system is not real-time. So it has some updated ability and if something just happened to be hypothetical, there's got to be some other intelligence. Like you may mention people's awareness, how things are going because that system could come back and say you're green when you just Rob something or you just caused a problem.
Jonathan Miller: (35:32)
Unfortunately in many situations, you're not going to know those immediate issues that have occurred but what we're trying to do here is whether it's through running an individual, when they come into the building, through the sexual offender registry, capturing as much information as on that individual as we properly can. So that if there is some type of an investigation that has to take place, we have the picture, we have a driver's license number. We have the time the person entered the time the person has left the building. Interestingly and you mentioned it early on about COVID through our visitor access management systems most of the schools are now having individuals who are allowed to come in answer several COVID-related questions in case they have to go back and contact trace an individual who is come into the school.
Jonathan Miller: (36:28)
If you answer that yes, to any of the questions you were in close contact with or something of that nature. The system is not going to let you come into the school. You won't be able to check-in, does it answer the question in regards to a crime? No, it does not but generally, we have to look at historically who has committed these crimes when they've come into the school. and in most of these cases, it's not apparent or a visitor. We can't let our guard down because it could be a parental abduction situation. Somebody wants to come in and take the student without permission and there are other safeguards in place as far as the school information systems that are out there that these systems all kind of meshed together to give us the most complete and round picture of who's coming into the building.
John C. Morley: (37:25)
That's a very good point. So we're just about to wrap up here, Jonathan. What advice can you give our viewers about security or anything you'd like to share with them before we wrap up with you today?
Jonathan Miller: (37:38)
Well, I think from the school security aspect John, what we're looking at is a lot of there are the physical measures that everybody sees out there. You're seeing security vestibule, you're seeing armed guards, you're seeing police officers in the schools, all of which are critical aspects of the whole pick. we touched on it a little bit. It's, it's knowing what's going on with the student, whether it's your child? Have they changed or have they become more introverted, more extroverted? The same thing applies to the teacher. Are they seeing a change in attitude and work-study habits with that student? They need to report those things and say them express those, their feelings to a counselor to a behavioralist. It's very difficult. Doing school security is a balance.
Jonathan Miller: (38:41)
It's a balance of the science, the physical aspect of it but it's also an art it's knowing what is working in the particular area, in your particular, it's the attitude of the individuals who are working security and when it's all done from a physical science aspect of it to the art aspect of it and that melds together properly you have a pretty safe and sound school system that is not prison-like and that's what you don't want.
John C. Morley: (39:19)
And people don't notice security, even though it's there. That's, they're not as I'll call it very covert even though it's there and I think that's how you want security to be regardless of what industry it's in. You want it to be there as a present but you don't want to feel that it's like a service that you've liked like there is security around me. That's right. You want to be there. You want it to be there but that's it. And you don't want to notice it.
Jonathan Miller: (39:48)
I'm nipping in it's out there but it's also in some cases, if it's necessary, it can be directed in your face and that's probably the most important aspect of it. It's a requirement. It has to be there. We have to have these systems in place but you want the student to be comfortable and happy and you want a good relationship between your security and your students and faculty and staff critical.
John C. Morley: (40:19)
Well, Jonathan, it has been a pleasure, Mr. Jonathan Miller, he is the president of BCASSP the Bergen county association of school security professionals. He has a wealth of knowledge and I'd like to invite all the viewers, regardless of whether you're here from New Jersey, Franklin lake Bergen county, or anywhere in the United States or beyond to reach out to us and let us know, do you have a specific security question? Remember, we can't answer questions that are going to derail someone's security but if you have a question about maybe something going on in your school system or you have a thought about something. I'd love you to bring it to us and we'll bring Jonathan back to answer again. Remember those questions need to be general and they can't be about what is your school doing though.
John C. Morley: (41:18)
It has to be, what would you recommend for my school? Or what should we be doing? We're doing this and I don't recommend you divulge your whole plan. I recommend you keep it general enough so that you're able to get a feel because remember this is going out to thousands of people and we're not trying to compromise anybody's security but we are trying to give people at least I'll say the insights to look at maybe it's a vendor or something like that. So, Jonathan, I want to thank you. It has been a privilege and a pleasure to interview you today and I hope we'll bring you back again because I think security is something that many people just take too lightly.
Jonathan Miller: (41:50)
John, I appreciate your reaching out and being able to express the views out there that people may not realize are going on and that we have all these systems in place and I appreciate your time and bringing this out to everybody's attention.
John C. Morley: (42:01)
It's been my pleasure, Mr. Jonathan Miller, also a retired police captain. Again, thank you and please send us your comments. I know Jonathan would love to answer them and tell your friends because security is something that I think doesn't matter what age you're at. You need to take it seriously.
Jonathan Miller: (42:24)
Indeed.
John C. Morley: (42:27)
Well, Marcus, what did you think of that interview with Jonathan?
Marcus: (42:29)
I tell you one thing, I learned something and if the audience is in agreement with me, you're going to get to hear the same feedback.
John C. Morley: (42:38)
The thing about Jonathan that I like is he's very genuine in this space and he knows it's not just about technology and spending money and getting the latest gadgets. He understands it needs to be a set of policies and procedures and have good people that know how to carry these things out because the safety of our lives, children, staff, and faculty are there. What I learned from him, it was really interesting is that we're always concerned about the children, which I agree it's important. However, we need to be cognizant of the staff and parents of people in the school. We learned what happened, not too long ago at one of the public schools where they're stepping up security because an instant bystander came into the school and he started to abuse people verbally for actually having an event for black lives matters.
John C. Morley: (43:45)
And he was just getting very up in their face. Thus, I think it's important that whether you're a school, whether you're a business, even though Jonathan has extensive experience with schools. I think it's about all organizations and all communities. I like that phrase that a lot of people say, which is, "If you see something say something" and they've had that with the government I think New York for a long time. I just think what he brings to the table is a breath of fresh air and people I have to tell you I hope that many of the police officers Chief of police, I have personally invited this week have found this to be a very interesting show that maybe they can take some of this different and bring it back and institute it in their police department in their school.
John C. Morley: (44:35)
And he said something else that was interesting to me. You have to build that relationship, as we're saying with people like the kids and you have to know how to handle behavioral analysis, not throw everybody into jail. The cops today want to help people. That's not how it was 10, 15, or 20 years ago. They want to see if they can help them. They don't want to arrest these kids but if they do something wrong, then obviously they have to. They want to give them some advice, some warnings, and they want to be their friend and the reason they want to be their friend is if their demeanor changes, then they suddenly want to do something to be able to help that child and also protect not only them, the staff, the faculty and the rest of the environment that they're in. So I think that's a new way to approach security with schools and I think all kinds of buildings, even corporations can embrace this in some form or fashion, what do you think?
Marcus: (45:30)
Yeah, that's innovative and I think that he is ahead of the curve and we should jump on board to support like many of these types of systems and maybe copy on.
John C. Morley: (45:41)
Exactly. So again, Jonathan Miller, I want to thank you for taking the time to connect with us and to be on our show. We're hoping to have you back on some future shows when a topic might come up that I feel you could give some great insight to and create awareness. You are doing this right here in Bergen County, I'm hoping it hits home to a lot of schools here in Bergen County but not just in our area but all over the United States because anybody that has a school or that has something organization whether it's a charity, whether it has children in it or whether it's a company, I think they got to understand and he takes the approach that we need to be proactive that is rather that other than reactive. I think that's the most important thing.
John C. Morley: (46:40)
That was enlightening. So I know I learned a lot from Jonathan again and he has a wealth of experience from security to be an EMT to being a retired police officer. He has got the knowledge and he's got the experience to help him create the building blocks and be the president of that organization, which kind of sets the standard for a lot of the schools or at least listens. I believe he is making a very big impact in Bergen county, if not around the globe because his stuff is so real and so personable and things that we need to adopt. If we would adopt some things many years ago, maybe 911 wouldn't have happened.
Marcus: (47:23)
Very true, John.
John C. Morley: (47:24)
So again, thank you so much for Jonathan and incidentally, if any of you are in law enforcement you're a police officer or you're another type of responder and you would like to share some things with us. We'd be more than happy to have you on the show, go to www.jmor.com click on the reach out today, put your information in there. We'll get back to you because I think it's important that we get views from different people around. Now, this isn't about politics. This is about where do I stand and where do you stand and why is there such a big difference? Why do you look at the apple green when the apples are red in my bag? So I think we just got to be cognizant of those things.
Marcus: (48:05)
Absolutely.
John C. Morley: (48:06)
So again many thanks to Jonathan and hopefully you guys have enjoyed many of the videos. Every day, this week, we launched another little snippet of him and to with people to get them excited about this show because we want to bring topics that are home. That means things to you, right in your neighborhood not out somewhere in another country that doesn't matter to you. Well, that was enlightening and hopefully, something that if you choose to follow we'll protect, maybe save you or a loved one's life, Microsoft's biggest acquisition ever. They bought call of duty and candy crush for 69 billion.
Marcus: (49:03)
Wow, This is huge.
John C. Morley: (49:06)
I want to share something else that many people may or may not know and that is, did you know that Microsoft, I just learned this not too long ago, acquired LinkedIn.
Marcus: (49:19)
No, I what heard some rumors about it but this is my first time hearing about it.
John C. Morley: (49:25)
It's true and on a future show, I'll show you proof on how you'll be able to tell yourself it's buried but there is a way you can tell that Microsoft does own them and I think that's why communicating with them is not as easy as it was in the past.
Marcus: (49:50)
That would make a lot of sense. It seems like they're busy quite often.
John C. Morley: (49:53)
Yeah. Microsoft's always busy and then they'll find some way to charge you.
John C. Morley: (49:56)
That's how I see it. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we have got to the top of our hour, we had an amazing interview, again, a big thank you and gratitude to Mr. Jonathan Miller, president of the Bergen county association of school security professionals and a retired captain of police. Thank you to all the police and all the security people and all the law enforcement, all the students, all the parents, and to everyone that came tonight to watch the show and those that are going to watch this show after because if we deliver information that could change your lives, that's what our show's about and protecting them is paramount on our minds here as a technology show, we're at the top of our hours. So I need to say goodbye to everyone, as much as I don't want to.
John C. Morley: (50:54)
We had a great show. We're going to be back here next week, which is going to be February, I can't believe it, February 11th, we're out to Jan anywhere we're in the second week of February and toward the end of the month, we have another great guest that's going to be coming on our show, just going to allude to him a little bit how to kill remotely. A great author will learn about it's something very interesting but something that's not very easy for people to do as a job. So we'll learn about PTSD post-traumatic stress disorder and how that's affecting people and how we went from little toy weapons to these great big militia items that can annihilate an entire state country in just a fraction of a second like you play a video game.
John C. Morley: (51:40)
I am John C. Morley serial entrepreneur. It has been an extreme pleasure, privilege, and honor to be with you once again, here on another Friday night. I want to encourage you to check out all the great stuff we hear have here on the transform your media network. You can because check our stuff out but you can check out many of the other shows we have, I have the new inspiration for your show. I release daily streams that are living every day on LinkedIn. Show us some love, like it drop by comment. Follow us, really appreciate that. We're on a mission here to make our world better one person at a time and that's by helping you become a better version of yourself and help everyone else become better versions of themselves.
John C. Morley: (52:30)
Once again, I'm John C. Morley, a serial entrepreneur. It has been a pleasure again, a special thank you to Mr. Jonathan Miller, who spent a lot of time with us and gave us some priceless information. It's always a pleasure Marcus to have you. It was great and I guess we got to say goodbye, everyone has a wonderful weekend and we'll be back next weekend. But if you're yearning for our shows, just go watch them. They're out 24 hours a day and rewatch something that knowledge might just make the difference to the success or the protection of your life. Take care of everyone and I'll be back next week. Thank you for tuning in to the JMOR weekly technology show, where we answer your questions about how technology is supposed to work, and sometimes while you have challenges, getting into work that way for more support and tips, just text IT support to 888111 and you'll get technology tips. I'll see you next week right here on the JMOR Tech Talk Show. Remember www.jmor.com
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