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John C. Morley
Hello, everyone, It's that time for the JMOR Tech talk show where we answer questions about technology, explain the way they should work, and why they tone sometimes. And now here's your host, John C. Morley. Well, Hey, everybody, welcome once again to the JMOR Tech talk show. This is John C. Morley, serial entrepreneur and it is great to be with you on a fantastic, fabulous super Friday, that is June 18th. Marcus, welcome.
Marcus Hart
Thank you, John.
John C. Morley
How are you doing today? It is great to be with you on this Friday. We have a really great show tonight. Don't we?
Marcus Hart
Definitely do. What a pleasure to be with you.
John C. Morley
Well, to start off, I want to let you know that we have a great guest coming on a little bit later in the program. Sheila Mac who is the author of a book and also has her own show as well. So we'll get a chance to interview her a little bit later in the program. But Marcus, everyone being home and being cooped up for a while, wants to exercise. But listen to this conundrum, biking at home on your peloton may become a security risk. Now, tell me that doesn't really send you racing for the hills. That's right. So hackers are possibly going to be able to get into your computer, which is the screen that you would be sitting in front of and install malware on it and expose you to being eavesdrop by the camera, microphone, and possibly even controlling the bikes programs, speed, etc. And not to mention compromising, of course, your personal account information. Wow. I don't know what to say about that. All I have to say is that anything connected to the Internet, and you've heard me say this before is a security risk. If you do not take the appropriate precautions, it's not a question of if something's going to happen but when. We talked about this before. So if you have a peloton bike, it is very important that you get the latest security update. If you don't, well, your bike is going to be possibly compromised. And you might be letting out information about your own privacy. And possibly might even be damaging your health. Because if the hackers get in, and just try to be nasty and maybe speed up your bike or change your program that might put you into a little bit of a tailspin. What do you think, Marcus?
Marcus Hart
Yeah. I completely agree with you.
John C. Morley
Well, Facebook's new artificial system is now able to not only detect fakes, but their origin as well. So I guess Facebook has gotten tired with all this gaming that's been going on with people actually trying to mislead them with the false information. So they've really decided to get on board with this. And so now with this new system, and this new method, it's gonna be pretty interesting. And Facebook and actually Michigan State have created this algorithm that can fingerprint and generate models used to create the AI deep fakes. And that's how they're actually able to do it so this is really amazing. Facebook, if you've been following has always been about communities and getting people to stay on their platform. That means that if you post something and you try to send somebody to another link, probably not going to give it as much attention or show it as much. Because let's face it, Facebook wants to keep you on their platform. Everybody else wants to do that too, in social media, Facebook is not the only one. So Facebook is now rolling out a new set of tools for the admins of groups so they can gain more control over their community. It's gonna be quite interesting, Marcus, and I have to see what they're going to do and to see what kind of tools they're going to use.
Marcus Hart
It's definitely going to be different.
John C. Morley
Well. My next guest is Sheila Mac. She is the author of Boot Straps & Bra Straps: The Formula to Go from Rock Bottom Back into Action in Any Situation. And I'm very privileged to have her, she's gonna be joining us here momentarily. And I want to let you know that she didn't start off as successful author that she is today. She had major setbacks early on in her life. Her book which was released last August made it to Amazon's number one bestsellers list and has reached a wide audience. In her book, she introduces boots formula, which helps struggling people move from rock bottom back into action. Sheila Mac is extremely passionate about helping people overcome tragedy, whether she's teaching parenting and relationship courses or how to invest in real estate properties. She's also the proud mother of six children. Sheila Mac has also started her own podcast, and now also has a radio show. Please help me welcome, ladies and gentlemen, Miss Sheila Mac to the JMOR Tech Talk Show tonight. Well, Hey, everybody, it is John C. Morley, the host of the JMOR Tech Talk Show, serial entrepreneur. And I am very pleased to be with Miss Sheila Mac, who has quite an amazing story. And not just being a serial entrepreneur herself but also embracing life. And I think that is something that is amazing. So Sheila, welcome to our show.
Sheila Mac
Thank you. Thank you for having me on, John, I really appreciate it.
John C. Morley
When I started looking at the book, and I saw the title, Boot Straps & Bras. And I said, okay, is this for me to read? Am I supposed to read? Is this for a lady or a gentleman? But really, it's just your metaphors for things. So maybe I'm not supposed to be reading this, I might get in trouble now. But it was just amazing how you started this journey. And you have a great book. It's available on audio, you can download it. And we'll have a link to that, Of course, when this goes on our site. I want to ask you something, Sheila, what would you say was the primary reason? Because you had a lot of challenges in the book, I know. What was the main reason that really drove you to write this book?
Sheila Mac
The main reason, I actually wrote the book after I lost my house, my car and a house fire. And when that happened, that was in the Ventura, California, Ventura fires in 2017. And I thought, My gosh, I'm kind of alone, because everyone else that I know in my area is going through the same situation. And so we helped each other as much as we could, but you find yourself alone, when you're going through a tough situation, whatever that is, whether it's just dealing with this crazy COVID or it's going through a divorce, or it's your parenting, and you have your children and they're growing up or some other situation, you're dealing with elder care, whatever that is, and I thought what would I want? And I created a formula that helped me get back on track within a month. And I was even shocked at the speed using the formula that I used so many times in my other situations in life. And I thought, wow, I would like to sit down with my best friend, my sister, my good colleague, male or female and say, Hey, Oh, my gosh, you're going through this situation, let's sit down, Let's get through this, let's get grounded and go step by step to get back on track. And so that's why I created the book.
John C. Morley
It's just really inspirational. And again, not to make people sad but I really want to, you know, express my heartfelt condolences. I mean, you had lost someone very dear to your son in the family, and just to be able to pick up where you are, going to get back on a horse. That's not an easy thing. And to just be able to do that and then you had a lot of other challenges, which I'm not going to go into all of them. But you had a lot of challenges. And I think everyone's life is challenges. But I think the good thing about challenges is that I'm Roman Catholic and I believe that, we get these challenges, they're actually given to us for a great reason. And they're help us to become a better version of ourselves. So I think if we don't learn, we don't get a chance to advance. So you have something very unique in your book, and it's called the boots, B-O-O-T-S formula. And so is there anything specific you want to talk to us about? Is there anything that's really important about? I know what the formula is, but what's probably the most important thing that people need to know or what's the most important part of that formula?
Sheila Mac
Oh, my gosh, so the B is for being it's who you're being in all that you're doing and you have to ask the question, Who do I need to be to show up as to get back on track in this particular situation? And that's going to really make a difference. The other letters go into our orientation, we have to say, this is where I'm at now. Now, I don't have a house or a car. A day later, I've been demoted in life really quickly when I had my fire. And so I had to really be honest about where I'm at in order to say and this is where I want to go. And that's whether that's in business or in your personal life, you have to be honest about the numbers. This year, businesses have been hit really hard. And so to be really honest, is going to help you. And then it's the order of operations is the next O in the boots formula. And that's really for creating a plan, and you have to do things in a certain order. You can't go buy a new car until you have the money to go do that. And so there's certain steps you need to take. And then the T is our thinking, our mindset, which is so important, and the S is stepping up. So you can meditate all you want, but you need to take action. And it's important. So stepping into it and having that. That's where I guess like you mentioned your religion, when you have some type of faith beyond yourself and a knowing, a belief that, Okay, I'm going to take the next right action, and something will show up. As long as I keep moving forward, Some days, I might crawl. I got out of bed and it was a really good day. The day after I lost my son, that was really hard. It was hard. And you're like, how do I get my other children, I adopted three more. And then I have-- so it was total of six in the family, three of my own and three I adopted. And so getting all the kids together, young adults and being present for them and still having my mindset and it was like so sometimes you crawl, and you're still moving forward. And that's the difference.
John C. Morley
And when you had lost your son, people don't know because they didn't read the book, and I want them to read the book. But what I want people understand is that it wasn't just the fact of you losing your son, it was also the fact that there was a journey. And he had a lot of challenges, wasn't like he woke up sick one day. It was just something that went along for a long time. And, again, not to get every detail the book, I mean, the fact that there were people that should have been there to love him and love you that pretty much decided to just take the A train and exit. And I think a lot of people do that life, they just kind of take that A or that B train and they just kind of-- I always say you can tell your true friends, because when you have a challenge, they're going to be with you through the good times and through the bad times. So I just love the dialogue you use. And also, if you do the audio book, Sheila actually navigates it. So it's great to hear her voice and it's very moving and just to hear it. It's not a book that you're going to sit down and just digest in five seconds, I've got to tell you that. It's a book that you can have your cup of coffee and your tea, and you can listen to a few chapters or read a few chapters and then digest it. And then to sort of have some composure, and then come back to it. Because if you try to do it all in one day, it's a lot. So there's a lot of points you bring out from understanding what grief is, different types of abuse which I think was amazing how you brought that in the book, and also about money matters and finance. And it's basically a muscle that we have to exercise. But you bring home a very interesting point in everything that you talk about in this book, whether it's from parenting or breaking the cycle of addiction or self-care, spirituality or lifestyle design, and even all the way back into the conclusion and even into the acknowledgments. And I think that points back to something very technical. And I like to refer that since I'm an engineer, is the reticular activating system. You see, like you mentioned to me that when you have these cars-- you have these different things, and whether it's cars on the road, or whatever it is. If I asked you what your favorite color car is, you're going to tell me, and I'm going to tell you my favorite color. But what we're going to both disagree on, agreeably for a moment is that there's more red cars, there's more blue cars, there's more white cars. But really, there's the same amount of cars. So what you said before really hits home is that it's not about meditating. And I know being meditating for many years and doing Reiki level two, you've got to take that step, I think the meditation gets you into the mode of being able to receive and stuff like that. But you don't just close your eyes and Okay, like the secret and just presto, it comes. But there's a good reason for that. Because we don't want 5000 elephants in our living room when we think about them. So that's good. There's a delay factor. But I think what a lot of people don't understand, Sheila, is taking your book is that they're conditioning, that reticular activating system, because that was designed to help us live and get food and survive. And so it was never designed to help us achieve success. But we can hack it to do that. And so it's not an easy thing to do. But when you focus on it, it's like your mind gravitates to what you focus on.
Sheila Mac
Yeah.
John C. Morley
That's amazing.
Sheila Mac
Yes. So, a good story to share about that real quick is that there was-- okay, so obviously I lost my car in the fire as well as my house. Here, I'm staying in this little 400 square foot unit that was part of a little cabin I own. And I rented the rest out Airbnb, vacation rental, because everybody needed a place to stay. And I'm in the smallest unit. And I still have to do real estate. I worked with clients, sometimes really close friends and the rest of time I just lead courses and this and that. So a friend said, I'm flying in from Virgin Islands. Could you drive me? Because you drive on the other side of the road, kind of like in London and the Virgin Islands. Sure. I'll rent the car, You just drive. Take me to the places, Find me a place. I said, no problem. So all weekend, I was driving this beautiful Mercedes. And she said, You look good in that car. That car could really work for you. And I said, Well, you're right. And then I finished with her. She got her house, which was wonderful. We got really three days imagine and we found her house. And I had to go work with another client. So I rented on this Turro, a vehicle and it broke down. And I thought, That's terrible. Alright, let me call the triple eight. I go to my phone to call and what pops up is this email from Hyundai, the car company. And I said, well, that's nice. But I don't really need a Hyundai to show clients around in Beverly Hills. Just not what they want, expectations, It's not me. I like Hyundai, it's nothing personal but I said I really wanted that Mercedes. But they had offered a $75 coupon, I don't know, visa or whatever it is, to go in and test drive the Hyundai. Well, since I was there, and the guy that owned the car came and got it with the triple A, I took an Uber and I went straight to this dealership across town in a different part of town that maybe isn't so fancy. And so, I went there and what was in that lot was a pre-owned with super low miles Mercedes, it was the exact one I had drove weekend. And I told them I said, Okay, my credit just went down. I took a big hit because I just bought a house. And then I bought all the furniture for the house. And I did all this stuff. And then of course the house burned down. And so I said, Well, here's where I'm at, and I have this much, I just got my condition check in so I can put so much down. If you can get me into that car, that's the car I need for what I do. And I got that car and drove off the lot that day with that car. And the person that they clean it and they show you how to use all the buttons was Just like my father who had passed away when he was young. And I thought, okay, I'm getting a little help from heaven. It's a miracle that I got this car. And so that was manifesting, I was in the car, the rented one. And then next thing, there it was but I had to have the belief and go with it. I just needed the $75 for groceries because all my cash had been tied up. And so that's what happened with that situation. So sometimes it's that stepping up and stepping into something being willing to do something outside of your comfort zone. See what shows up. And then maybe because I was looking there on the lot, I see the car that I really needed. And because it was in the area where they usually don't sell Mercedes. They sold to me $6,000 below bluebook, it had 1000 miles-- So to me is like, well, this is pretty new. When you're driving full time in California, you're gonna go through 11,000 miles in a second so it's perfect.
John C. Morley
It's amazing when you tell somebody this and they're having challenges they look at you like you have three heads or something. And so if you can just step back for a moment, and maybe just appreciate, have gratitude, but really just understand that things are going to be okay, It's like the water faucet starts to open up slowly, maybe not quickly, but slowly. And you're like, Hey, the next day's not so bad. And it's actually getting better. So I think the belief is really a strong point. And so people are conditioned to looking for things, we miss opportunity, Sheila, every single day. I mean, you remember when you had the store and you went into the gift shop business. You went into the gift shop business and real estate was not even-- you went into real estate through a back door if I would say. I mean you did very well with it. But that wasn't your plan, your plan was to have that little gift store and help people. And then I remember when you had said that one of our elected officials Mr. Clinton, had come in. And so it's funny how our mind plays tricks with. But sometimes I think these tricks that it plays with us are for a reason. So maybe it's not to get us in trouble. Like you were in trouble for something. But it's to cause a wake up in you, to take an action. And that's why I feel a lot of people, whether they go to the hospital, wherever it is, they get a wakeup call. And the quick story allude to that myself is that I broke my tip and fib many years ago, I was intermediate skier, and I broke my tip and fib for no fault of my own because of going down a mountain. Well, the challenge was that they were giving the resort away to their grandkids, they should have just sold it. And when I went to the hospital real quick story, nobody was on my side. And so I had to become more of an advocate for myself. But what I also realized is that when things got a little challenging and gloom because it was hard, I realized that back then I didn't agree with it. Now I do, because I'm like, I wouldn't have been a new home, I wouldn't have been a new location, I wouldn't have these new opportunities because I would have still been expecting them to come through that door. But they were never gonna come through that door, because I was in the wrong place. So by that happening, it caused a few years of challenge. But then it kind of opened me up to something that I'm like, was I ready for this? And it just sort of happened. And I think it kind of, like I said, it knocks us. So when that happens, and when somebody says to me, Oh, gee, I was in the hospital. I'm like, how many times? Oh, three times? Okay, well, I think somebody's trying to send you a message. No, no, no, I'm always like, Oh, no, I'm serious. Somebody's trying to send you a message. I don't take messages. And you can't talk to some people. I mean, it's that type of thing. Would you say, Sheila, that there's one message that you would like to leave people graduating college today, What would that be?
Sheila Mac
Go with your passions, although be willing to show up as who you are in whatever you do. So for me, when I was 18, I started working at JPL NASA doing programming in the engineering department. And I did that for three and a half years. And it was great, but they never gave me a raise. And I would go home and have to put my wrist in ice because of corporate tunnel. And I felt so uncomfortable. My body wasn't happy there. I had to dress really old. I mean, because I'm 18, so to me, it was like, Okay, I have to try to fit in here. And I loved working with the people, I actually started teaching the safety classes there for OSHA, and leading groups and speaking and that was my fit, sitting at a desk programming was really hard for me. And so don't go for the money, go for your passion, everything else will show up. Yes. And that's what happened. At 23, I opened my gift store, 5000 square feet, dollar square feet $5,000, I got six months free rent, and I was making enough money by the time that first year went by that I started investing in buying other store buildings, I have five stores in California, and I bought four of the buildings with the cash flow. So now when I got to the shopping Park Association, I'm 23 years old, I'm a kid, these people are in their 50s, they've been running their businesses there for a long time. And they're like, Who do you think you are? The next thing you know, they were coming to me, How do I do what you do? So don't question what you can do to try to fit into appease everyone else, just be you. I was just having fun. I didn't have the fear of loss, I guess that maybe I should have had as a young kid. It was great. 5000 a month, at 23 was a lot. I don't even know how that landlord agreed to let me in there but it happened. And so that was it. It was getting rid of the fear and just do your best self every day. And then you make a lot of improvements. I paid for marketing, I got help, I got a CPA, things I didn't know, I got training and that was it.
John C. Morley
I think that's really important is to go with your gut and to go with what you like to do. When people say to me, what time you go to work and I said, What do you mean? They said what time do you go to the office and work? I say, well I go to an office but I don't work. What do you do? Well, I help people. Doing what? And then I tell them what I do and they're like, okay, and you just do that as--? Well. Yeah, then they pay me for helping them. They said, well, you do work? I say, so I'll be honest, I think I do work two days a year. And that was actually when I deal with our accountant but we recently replace that accountant and got a new one. And now I think I work maybe about two hours a year because I still have to sit down with them with the numbers. But two hours is a lot better than a week or four days. So if you do what you love, just like you're saying, I feel that you'll never work a day in your life.
Sheila Mac
Yes. And you can bring what you love to what you're doing in one way or another, or use what you're doing to fund what you love to do, so that you can graduate into doing that full time. At a certain point, I mean, sometimes you have to pull your sleeves up and do whatever you need to do.
John C. Morley
Yeah, you gotta mop the floor yourself when you get started, you gotta, I don't wanna say paint, because if I paint, they'd fire me. But you have to do some other things, clean up some stuff and be ready, just like you said, roll your sleeves up. But I think the most boring thing, Sheila, she got to have fun. And what I found is that when you have fun, it gets infectious. Other people are watching from the side, you get those some people that have those glasses on, they're like, what are you doing? And they're against you. But there's other people like, well, that's pretty cool you're doing. Yeah, that's me. So I feel that there's always going to be people out there that hate what you're doing. I think that's just the nature of our world. I wish our world would have more people that would want to help others. But it's not unfortunately the way it is. I mean, we could be great people. But there's always gonna be those people that are takers, I always say you have to give and take. And I think that's just something that they get from growing up. But I find that if you can do what's in your heart and you can help people, and you can make the difference in life, I mean, it just makes life so much more enjoyable. I mean, you got to play in everything you do. What would you say, Sheila, was the hardest thing that you had to learn as a child growing up? And I know you did a lot of great things. But what was the hardest thing that you had to learn?
Sheila Mac
So there I was at 23 and a half opening my gift store. I had employees that were twice my age that were working. And they were like, I can't believe you're my boss. And yet I hired them because they were the top sales people. And they were working at Nordstrom's in different places. And I was like, Hey, I can pay minimum wage. But guess what, I have two nannies. And I have this big private area for the children to play, and I can give you flex time. And I can give you all these things. And for different reasons, people would leave those corporate type of sales positions or whatever, and come work with me. And then that was really hard though. Because there had to be that different relationship. I think, we were still really a team. But you had to have the I was the boss at a certain point to a certain level where you can't go play with your employees. You know what I mean? And I was young. And so that was hard. And then I also managed, my first house was a triplex and I lived in the back unit. And so I was also like house hacking before that was a word. And so I had to also be the landlady. So I was the boss and the landlady. And my peers, I could not relate to them at all, because they were out having fun. And I was working.
John C. Morley
Having to grow up. And I think the dichotomy of that is very hard for most people. Understand my parents had a business and I know I was starting to manage it when I was in eighth grade. And in college, I would come home every weekend, not because I had to because I wanted to. And later after the business had grown for a while they asked me Do you want to be in this business? And I said, No. And that's what they decided to sell it because they said, Well, I don't want to be in a business that I'm going to be a slave to, that I'm not going to enjoy. Even though I loved it, It was very labor intensive. It was a dry cleaning plant and it was very labor intensive. And I think it was great for the lessons that it taught me. You're right. When you have people at different age economies, we have a tendency to want to befriend them. And so you have to say to people when you get somebody around your age reasonable but younger, Yes, you work for me, yes, we can be friends but I'm not going to be your friend. So 'friendly' is different than me 'being your friend'. And I think there's a reason for that. Because then you have people that are like, Oh, well, come on, John, we're just doing this. No, John, the boss is saying this. So you can't separate the two things. So I think if you have that from day one what you expect and where things are going then I think it's a great way, but if you try to come in there and try to be their friend and try to be their employee, it doesn't work out, does it?
Sheila Mac
No. And I think even in my parenting chapter goes to that you can't be your kid's friend, until a certain age and point in life. When you're guiding and directing, There's a certain level of, I guess you might want to call it authority with your children. And even at work where I'm writing the checks so you need to work the way I'm asking it to be done here, if you want to continue working here. And so that's kind of something that was hard for me. And then to be the landlady, I couldn't be friends with my neighbors who were my tenants. And I remember an older friend, he owned, I don't know, like 36 units here and 50 units, they're multi, multi-millionaire, he was one of my neighbors, the millionaire next door neighbor. And he lived in a very humble house. And it was funny because he says, oh, Sheila, welcome to the club. And I was like, Yeah, but I don't like it because I love people so much, how do I have to be like this? And so I had to find a way to be able to be very loving and kind but firm, and people knew that what I said was what I meant kind of a thing. So that's it.
John C. Morley
I think a lot of times, dealing with lots of landlords, and I know dealing with my very first one, I think I was not even just about out of college, really. And it was really an experience. And when you deal with these landlords, I call them, Mom and Pop landlords, because they're very small, they have like a five page lease. And you do your standard things, they basically pay everything and you pay a rent and that's it. Then when you get into your first corporate lease, it's different. And the only difference between a mom pop lease and a corporate lease, is a corporate lease usually is between 50 and 100 some pages. And that usually has boilerplate language that they've modified that usually need an attorney. And the thing most people to understand is the attorney is not there to protect you for the lease, the attorney is there to help you understand what's in it, but they're not there to read it for you, they're there to help you interpret it. But you need to read your own lease. And I learned at a very young age, you got to read everything. You're like, John, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm reading it. Well, nobody reads this. I said, Well, I'm not everybody. So I think that's the challenge. But the point I'm bringing up is that a lot of times these landlords and I'm going to say more of the corporate type, non-mom and pop landlords, they kind of across the line. Now, I'm not saying that they're too friendly, because they go the opposite in the spectrum. They become, I don't wanna say nasty, but they become very egotistical. And they believe they're all in power. And so that's nice. But I think sometimes that becomes an ego that trickles down. So I think if you're doing your job and adhering to your role, there's no need for you to be nasty, there's no need for you to be, well, I'm the boss, I'm the owner. There's no need to throw that authority around. And what I learned is, I knew several landlords and with COVID happening, a lot of them were very pompous, one of them owned a building that was probably over 100 million. And they wound up selling that building, moving into a very small space, like a point, a fraction of that building. So I think the tables can turn, Sheila. So, I think we have to realize that we got to be nice to the people as we're going up, because we couldn't meet them coming down. And I say that in reverse too because managers have to be very nice to people.
Sheila Mac
I think so too. And it was that that I had to figure out how to have that relationship that was loving and caring and nice, but still got the job done. And still you have to negotiate a lease, you have to do these certain things. And so I had to figure that out. I went to school to learn real estate and all that at USC while I was running my businesses, because all of a sudden, I have to buy buildings, and I was like, why am I going to pay a real estate person when I could just figure this out myself? And so I had to learn that and I remember I had bought a little warehouse, that was a pretty decent sized warehouse in Burbank. And I ended up negotiating with the big major studios to rent my space for their shows, like to put their supplies. And I told them well, I need to check your credit. And they were 20 and they were all men. I'm the only woman and then I'm young to boot. So I'm a young woman and I'm trying to negotiate I'm like Look, I went to class and they told me I have to have your credit. Yes, I know, you're such and such studio.
John C. Morley
They probably laughed.
Sheila Mac
They all laughed, and they said, you know what? We want this building and we're gonna give you that credit.
John C. Morley
Sometimes, Sheila, when you do something that is, I don't want to say off the beaten path, But sometimes when you do something that the other person doesn't want, but they know it's something that is normally there, they're like, okay, we're just gonna do that, or like when the landlord is wrong or they make a damage on something and they damage something and like, pull out the lease. In Section 18 B, paragraph three C, there's a clause in there that states should there be damage done to attendance of facility or property of the least sub hold during the term of the lease, it'll here be, they use this fancy words, of responsibility continuing thereof, respectively to the person that is leasing, which basically says that they're responsible to fix the damages at 100% cost during a time that is mutually conducive for the business owner that is not interruptive to their business schedule. So we get all these things, we had a slight little issue, we pull that up. And they say, Okay, we can fix that for you tomorrow at 10:30. I say, I'm sure, you can. And pursuant to the lease, if you need me to pull out a copy, I'll be happy to, 10:30 is not a conducive time for me because that's my revenue generating hours. Oh, well, when do you close? Well, we could do it before nine, we could do it at eight Or we could do it after six or if you like, we could do it on the weekend, like Saturday morning. We'll get back to you. And it's funny, because when you start becoming educated Sheila, what I've learned these big bad wolf, and I don't mean to call them that, they kind of tame down. And I always use the excuse, you don't like me very much, do you? I'm young, you don't like me, maybe don't have the $10 billion profile that you have. However, you don't like me and I feel that. And that's okay. But I just want to be upfront with you and let you know that I don't feel I'm being treated equally, I'm being discriminated against. And I'm a paying customer. And so they don't really say anything. But as things evolve, and they kind of move along. It's like, they kind of get a little bit easier. I don't say they become your friend. But it's like that hard exterior goes down. We had one person where you don't ever call me by my first name. Well, why not? So I say to the person, I'm sure gentlemen, I'm a gentleman. I said, I put my slacks on my left foot first, my right foot, you probably put yours on left or maybe your right or left. So we're not too much different. Looked at me, didn't say anything. And then one time a while back, it was in evening, I was walking out. And I said to the person, I said, Have a good evening, a wonderful weekend. And I said the person's first name. And I thought for sure they're gonna like say, you're never supposed to do this. It's not the least but all of a sudden, they came back to me and said, Yeah, you too, John. It's almost like they were disarmed. I think the reason they're like this, Sheila, from what I'm understanding, you can correct me if I'm wrong. And it's because maybe they've been burned so many times. I think this is the reason. So what I finally said to them, about several months back when I had the issue, I called up and you I have the Gestapo lady I'm gonna call, very nice lady. But this I called the Gestapo because I said, Can I say-- Oh, nope, that he doesn't take calls directly. Well, can I schedule point? Well, it has to be approved. Okay. But you want to meet with me and you think you can just get on my calendar 24 hours. So that I started I said, Well, let me give you my calendar link. And why don't we see what's available in my schedule? And so they kind of like took a step back. And then it was like this person that was like this Gestapo and then we had issues like there was a dog for example, barking and I called him I said, hey, it's such and such. Let's I hate to bother you. But pursuant to the lease in Section 18-2.3, it's the job of the landlord to ensure that a peaceful, professional and non-threatening as well as enjoying environment to conduct business is always preserved. So I read that to them. And she said, What's the problem? I said, was a dog barking.
Sheila Mac
Yeah, it's kind of odd for a business place.
John C. Morley
Well, we're in a place where they have a strip mall above us. But you're still not allowed to bring dogs in. So they send somebody out. And of course, they don't check. They send their maintenance people out to go check. Maintenance investigates, it comes back as we hold detailed report. That is never a simple thing. It's a whole document. And it says, All the person actually has a service dog. And they come every Wednesday at 1pm. Yeah, they do. So, it's just the part that I guess really took me back, Sheila, is that when you're in business, and you do something, even it's something as simple as a check. Here's your check. I'm not gonna funnel it through something to seem impressive, like, yeah, I'm gonna give it to my maintenance guy. And he'll just come over and bring it to you. Like, why do we need to do that? Is that something so demeaning? Like, it's not like we're asking anything wrong, but I just think it's part of that ego trip. And I feel that, if you're humble in business when you're small, when you grow, then you're going to be the same way. And so that's what I've learned probably the most is that, all these people have probably been burned. And when they've been burnt so much, they just put that wall up.
Sheila Mac
Yeah, and I think that I mean, in a certain perspective, they may have five other places. I mean, I rarely ever went to my properties at a certain point because I also was running gift stores and had six children and elders that ended up getting sick and I took care of them. And I did have a decent relationship and know my tenants on a first name basis, and had that decent relationship. But I also hope that the people that did work for me were also part of the team that I was comfortable. And they were kind and friendly and caring enough that when they did go to a maintenance call or something like that, that they-- my thing was whether it was the store employees or people that work with me in the real estate business, running the buildings that they had to treat the clients exactly like as if I showed up.
John C. Morley
I think that's great. But my challenge was that the maintenance people were treating us better than the owners. It was a reverse scenario. And they used excuses to not want to go out. So that's the issue. And that's ego, Sheila. But that's something common I know with many of the big realting firms from New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, California. It's like I'm mightier, I'm bigger than you, I've got more power than you.
Sheila Mac
You know, it's really funny. I have had so many clients and I think-- In the real estate side of things, I've had clients that send me everybody, when I'm like, I'm not even doing this full time anymore. They're like, please help me get this house or help me go do this, whatever, or negotiate, can you review the lease? And I have a team of people I refer to, but I end up taking some friends work on because they're, like, really want me to. But it's because that difference right there [inaudible 43:43] because they know that I'm considering them like I would my best friend or one of my grown kids or something like that. Like, I'm considering them more about their needs than a commission, or just to get paid.
John C. Morley
That's important.
Sheila Mac
I think that people feel the energy of how you show up, whether you're managing property or running a side business or running a store or something in person, they're gonna feel the energy of how you show up and the intention is felt. And so that I think is going to make the difference. I literally had a role with the people that work with me that if you don't want to be here today, because you have something else going on, you don't come in, please don't. Go do whatever you need to do, because the clients would come in and they would feel I don't want to be here. And it's like, well, why am I gonna pay you? If you don't want to be here, don't be here. And then when you really want to be here, be here 100% and that can go for business, that can go in a relationship, where to be present, this is like humanity, treating people humanely, whether it's a loved one, you're present for your children, your grandchildren, your spouse, your loved ones, you're there, you're not still in the office.
John C. Morley
I agree. That was a tip I actually gave about two months ago. And when I do the letter of the alphabet, I did a, and I said, always be present. And I think about that. But what solved this whole dilemma that I was sharing with you is I decided that I'm not gonna let it bother me. And I'm just gonna send the person love. And did that for a couple months. And then it just sort of changed from being something that was uncomfortable to something that was, I don't use the word tolerable, but something that was more mutually business respective. So that was a good thing. But, Sheila, we are just about out of time as my producer is giving me the signal in the ear. I'd like you to share with us, I know you have a special gift that you'd like to share with our viewers. Why don't you tell us about that? And maybe if any of our wonderful people would like to get in touch with you.
Sheila Mac
All right, thank you. Yes. So the gift is actually the Introduction to the BOOTS Formula, it is a 40 minute course. And then there's also the boots meditation, which is a time that walks you through preparing to reboot, whether that's in business or in your personal life. And you can get that at www.sheilamac.com/bootsmeditation.
John C. Morley
Sheila, it has been such a pleasure to be with you and to hear your stories and to be able to read your book and also just to live a little bit of your journey and give some people some great inspiration to where you got to today and how you got there.
Sheila Mac
Thank you. Thank you for having me on the show, John.
John C. Morley
It was my pleasure. All the best to you and much success to you and your family.
Sheila Mac
All right, you too. Bye, everyone.
John C. Morley
Well, Marcus, what did you think of that interview, we always have some amazing guests here on the JMOR Tech Talk Show. And I have to tell you, I thoroughly enjoyed speaking with Sheila and learning about all her nuances and how she did that gift store. And the way she just takes a personal approach to helping people and how something as simple as a store that started off very small and then became very large and how she became this mastermind in real estate when this wasn't even her plan. I think this just goes to show you, Marcus, that synchronicities really do have a place in life. And anybody that doesn't believe in that, Well, I'd say to think about that, again, because nothing just happens for no reason. Everything has a synchronicity. Everything in life has a purpose, has a reason. And so what did you think, Marcus? I want to give you a moment or two to tell me what your thoughts were.
John C. Morley
I am glad you enjoyed it, too. I enjoyed learning about the boots formula, and how she could take people from point A and take them all the way back to, let's say, point z, which is the end of the spectrum. And the other thing that's interesting, I thought was how a lot of people tell you the way you should be or what you should be doing. And I think with using her formula, a lot of people don't know what is best for you, but they think they do. And this lady had a lot of courage, had a lot of passion, like a lot of entrepreneurs. And I think that's the key, you have to just get back up on your horse and you have to ride it, no matter how hard it is, when no one else is helping you, whenever anyone else is not even supporting you to ride a horse. And I'm using that as an analogy here. She has an amazing lady from talking about the boots formula, relationships, freedom from abuse, Money Matters, careers, relate relationships, parenting, elder care, breaking free from addiction, self-care, spirituality, lifestyle, design, grief support, and just so much that this lady does and I just have to say God bless her, what she's doing for the world and how she's just made an amazing life for herself and how she's helped so many those interns be able to really get a sense of purpose and be able to help them not only learn but be part of something and say that they got in and we're able to help build. I think that's what's amazing. When something gets big, it's great. But when you can become part of something on the ground floor and say, hey, I had my hand in that, I had my leg in that or I was part of that, That's just like so priceless. Well, again, I want to thank you, Sheila Mac, for coming on the JMOR Tech Talk Show, we really do appreciate you coming on. And also want to thank you for letting me be a guest on your show, as I was on your show a few months ago, and really enjoyed you interviewing me as well. Well, in new news Swiggy. And you might not know who the heck Swiggy is. They're in India. And they're one of the first to deliver fast food via drone. So this is very interesting. And they're one of India's largest online food ordering and delivery platforms.
They're based in Bangalore, India. And they're operating right now in 100 Indian cities roughly. And in early August 2019, they expanded into general product deliveries under the name Swiggy stores. So this is a very, very interesting concept. And just looking at the drone that they actually have, it has their name on it, Swiggy. So I think that is pretty amazing. And what they've been doing and how they're researching this and this is not a small drone, ladies and gentlemen. But I want to bring something out to all of you, in order to fly a drone commercially, whether that's to take pictures, whether that is to just fly in the air for no other purpose, and not even to charge any money, it doesn't matter whether you make a penny or not. If you use this on a YouTube channel, on a television program, you need to become licensed. So I want to share with you that I'm actually going to be pursuing my part 107 Drone license to become a pilot so that I'll be able to fly a drone commercially. And we might even have some air footage to share with you. Since I'll be legal, we'll be able to show you that right on our show. So lots of great stuff happening, Ladies and gentlemen. I want to talk about something else that is starting to become very, very popular in the news and it's called Side Loading. And so what is side loading? You're probably asking. Well, side loading an app on your iPhone is what I'm talking about. But what am I really talking about?
It's when you install an app onto an Apple device and basically you go through a program, and this program is not a jailbreak method, you're probably familiar with that. But it allows the program to be installed and then it trusts the program instead of through the Apple's App Store. So, such programs are things like Cydia Impactor and XCode and it's going to be an alternative to using jailbreak. But I have to let you know that side loading an app on an iPhone is very dangerous. And you're probably saying, John, why is it so dangerous? Well, that's an excellent question. And it's because you are going around all the safety securities. And I'm sure this goes without saying that the safest way to download apps is through these Apple's App Store and obviously, through the Google Store for the Android device. And so downloading sideload apps can risk compromise your device with malware and also compromise the data and confidentiality of things that are on your particular device. Now I know it's the latest trend and fad by geeks to sideload and move files and programs from one device to another but just be careful because using this means that you're connecting your computer to some information that may not be very trusting, might expose you to some potential security risks, and also may actually damage your device. Yes, that's true. Well, Marcus, I think we have had a great show tonight but I really want to caution all of you to make sure that you are using the latest version of peloton and if you are not using the latest version of peloton, well you better download and get it fast because I don't think that any of you want to have your bike eavesdropped in on whether it be through phone or through a camera. And so definitely get that update. It is free and something that you definitely should be doing. Anytime you have a device that's connecting to the internet, you need to make sure that you have the latest. We talked about this on the iPhone, we talked about some other devices, it is so very, very critical.
If you don't, well, you're going to be looking for trouble. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, it has been a pleasure being with you this evening, Marcus, I guess we have to say goodbye, right? Well, if you guys have a product and you have an idea for a show, reach out to jmor.com, remember, you have to donate the product to us. And we'll do an unboxing of it, we'll do a review of it. But if you have an idea for a show, and it is educational, visit our site, let us know what it is we don't accept all ideas. Again, we're looking to educate and inspire and entertain. So educate, inspire and educate our audience. That is really important. So if you're looking to pitch our audience, well, that's would be an advertisement. And that's not something we're looking to put on the show. Well, I think now it's time to say goodbye, Marcus. All right, take everyone, we will see you next week.
That is going to be June 25th. And we have another great guest, which I'm sure you're gonna want me to tell you about that person before I do say goodbye. And that is Andre Ruiz, who is a coach, a success motivational coach, and you're definitely not gonna want to miss that. That's going to be a great, amazing show. So enjoy the rest of your weekend. I'm glad that things are opening up in the world. Be smart, be safe, get outside, go live life. Enjoy it. And if you have a moment, ladies and gentlemen, please do check out Envision Networking and check out science Fridays with John and How To Network where I actually share tips and techniques on science but I pair them to people and how science is synonymous with ourselves and how there's an important lesson we all need to learn. Alright, do you need to say goodbye? We'll see you next week. Have a great weekend, everyone. Be well go outside and take a nice long walk. Thank you for tuning in to the JMOR Weekly Technology Show, where we answer your questions about how technology is supposed to work and sometimes why you have challenges getting into work that way. For more IT support and tips, just text IT support to 888-111, that’s IT support to 888-111 and you'll get tips on technology. I'll see you next week right here on the JMOR Tech Talk Show. Remember, jmor.com.
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