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Radio show date 03-12-2021

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Well will answer questions about technology explain the way they should work and why they tone sometimes and now here's your host John C. Morley.


John C. Morley: Well, hey everybody Welcome. Once again back to the Jay more Tech talk show where you get to learn all about technology and we get to talk to some people from around the world about their views about some of the things that they're involved in in regards to technology policies procedures and even people sometimes and we talked to some great authors and it's great to have you Marcus hard as my co-host. It's nice to see you again tonight.


Marcus Hart: It's just a pleasure to be back. With you and just drawing this great platform here with you my friend.

John C. Morley: Yeah, so we have a great show here tonight. We have an amazing scientist who's going to be coming out a little later in the show. Dr. Farshid Puff Lonnie. Hopefully, I'm now pronouncing his name correctly really excited to talk to him. I had a pre talk with him. So I'm really interested to talk to him about sustainability. But you know Marcus we're starting to open up the world a little bit with covid. And vaccines are starting to come around and things like that. But I think the bottom line is that people are still looking for hope, you know, they're looking for Hope everywhere and I don't blame people looking for Hope, but there's one gentleman who really is bringing some hope a Lakewood resident develops an application Marcus that coordinates organ transplant transportation.


Marcus Hart: Oh, this is nice boy talk about something that is needed right now in the world where people feel like they need these things delivered with urgency. He's filling in the Gap here.


John C. Morley: There's a veteran emergency and flight pandemic, Shane founder and CEO of para fly EMS and Aviation and Oregon flights keeps his eye on the clock when he and his crew are making an organ transplant flight. I mean, there's a lot that goes into that. I mean, you know, the they only have so many hours and minutes to get it there or the organ may not be usable when it gets to the donor.


Marcus Hart: That's terrible. Just even thinking about that. Whoo-hoo even would have knew that. I didn't even know


John C. Morley: that. Yeah, this this comes to us from a connection that I have in New Jersey learning about this and so he created a software application that's available by the right now on the iPhone and the Android platform and it allows dispatchers to collect critical information basically and the app is aimed at interested. Editions Pilots ambulance drivers nurses and others who are involved of but by the app and I quote we give the aircraft operators the ability to sign up and their schedulers and dispatch will commit to the flights in addition. We arranged for ground transports as well for the transplant teams to the airports and to the transplant centers. That is just remarkable 


Marcus that I think that is really Amazing app the way that they're able to do this and coordinate with commercial flights and it's very critical to be able to get these things somewhere not only safely but within a certain sometimes narrow time frame

Speaker 3: this is going to lessen the hassle with this and save so many lives. I'm just thinking about the Liars is going to be safe from this.


John C. Morley: Yes, so you're going to be able to download this application this Transplant application. There isn't too many others like this on there and you know, whether you're talking about heart and lungs you should know they only last up to six

Speaker 3: hours. That's not long.


John C. Morley: No and kidneys last up to 36 hours. So I have a little more time and a liver has 15 hours, but the heart and lungs they really gotta, you know, double-time it and it a country where they have I think about a hundred thirteen thousand people that are now on a waiting list for transplants dozens of organs are being discarded. Because they can't reach their destination in a condition that's still alive and able to be used for the transplant.

Speaker 3: Wow, that is just mind-blowing and just to think that we're in 2021 and we thought we would have had this figured out and now this comes along. This is great news.


John C. Morley: It's a logistical problem, you know, a lot of people whether its medical or other type of shipping. We don't really think about the value of logistics, but when it comes to somebody's life, it's a lot different than whether a package. Just going to get there because we're anxious.

John C. Morley: This basically has someone's life on the line and it's all in the mercy of somebody being able to drive a plane safely or get ground transportation to and from navigating traffic lights. Yes, they're in ambulances. But still they got to get on a plane. They got to go through an airport. There's just a lot of red tape Marcus they got to go


Marcus Hart: Through. Yeah, and sometimes it's just a matter of just a signature that needs to be signed off on something or just no one who's the proper channel to follow through to get these things moved in the right direction. So, it doesn't go elsewhere or doesn't have these delays, you know I have been in a lot logistics myself in the military.


John C. Morley: Wow. I saw this coming firsthand and you know what's looks like, you know, when you have backup orders and those sort of things but like you said, We're dealing with lives here. And these things got to be pushed along a lot faster.

John C. Morley: I have been very privileged being a first responder and you know learning about triage and also dealing with people and one thing that I never knew when I got started several years ago was when you hear somebody complaining our human nature would say to take care of them first right great, but actually that's not the people we should be taken care of. It's the people that can't complain the can't speak the can't yell the can't cry because they're in more dire need of emergency attention. So when you triage people you have to block out what sometimes the emotions want to do and do what's best for saving the most amount of people in the little amount of

Speaker 3: time. That's true. I like that. I think what you just said there, you know speaks a huge volumes and boy you drop some nuggets night for the audience to really take it to the head of consideration here

John C. Morley: and they're all calorie-free by the way, so you can have as many of these nuggets as you'd like, right? There's no gold. There's no golden arches here and they're not fried any of these nuggets. Yeah,

Speaker 3: no, no fancier, so that Great so

John C. Morley: good. But you know, there's a scientist now that have developed a message display. Fabric. This is pretty cool. So it's a wearable foldable washable fabric that can actually display flashing messages or an image. So you're probably say to yourself. Well, gee, it's only a scarf what good is that going to do? But again, it's wearable it's foldable and it's washable and it's a fully functioning display. It can Flash messages or images and even be used with a keyboard. This particular fabric is described actually to be able to help teams and a gentleman by the name of who Shang Pang a professor in Department of macro molecular engineering at shanghai's Fudan University has been working on this and he believes it could revolutionize communication and I quote help individuals with voice speech or language difficulties to express themselves to.

Marcus Hart: others. That's interesting. Yeah, this multi function that it has here. The this can go a long way.

John C. Morley: Yeah, it can say hi to someone it can have your name on there. It can have an ID number. It can show a number maybe it can be used to to sign language you like to show symbols.


Marcus Hart: Yeah this is and I can see This being used, you know gained in the military to when you and are in locations where you have to be silent and secluded and you don't want the enemy to know here you so just yeah, this can definitely be great, you know in that respects to but yeah for but for the original intent, I love it.


John C. Morley: And the thing that's also very interesting is that wearable Electronics is really advancing in our world for being able to have this on our body and use it and there was another study published not too long ago the described a wearable micro grid powered by the sweat of the wearer. And this is really going to change things and although, you know, they're often fragile and prone to damage as we've seen in the past. They're saying that now these new devices are going to be a lot more resilient. You can wrap them you can tie them and they're still going to function I could see this being great. Maybe there's an emergency and you need to throw flash red to someone. As a danger or maybe a caution sign. I see a lot of value in this


Marcus Hart:  That is great.


John C. Morley: I'm just kind of curiousof the Honda the power being driven driving this thing, you know, and I think some of the eye is might be curious to so they'll just based on the article. You know, what what the fuck are we talking about here, then, you know that's given us thing to work the way it works.

Well, they're saying that it's a micro grid by the sweat of the wearer. So this is going to be able to operate based on your body. Now they do have ones that it says they can have batteries for you know, LCD and led don't really take up, you know much power. But I think this is going to be a new technology because you have to remember something it's flat right and they saying that you can wash it.

Now this is interesting because when they say you can wash it I just wonder does that mean we have to take out the electronics or the electronics washable because they're saying it's a fabric. Yeah, that's interesting. So that it is if it's if it's if it's able to be washed and you still can have the power inside of it. That's definitely revolutionary in itself. So I'm just kind of excited about that. You know what we're doing here in terms of Technology. Yeah, I'd like to see what one of these actually looks like. I don't think they're in the store. You don't actually get this on Amazon.

I don't think you're going to find it there tomorrow fortunately, but this is going to be something we'll have to keep our eyes on them. And there's a lot happening and I think this would have been great during covid for people to have masks that actually had phrases on them. I know I've saw some of those. Yeah, but they were very bulky.


Marcus Hart: Yeah, so you got a good point there because it is kind of hard to hear people through Mask nowadays. So just to have wanted one of these for a mask and place, you know over your face. This would be great would have not have a need to talk anymore.


John C. Morley: and they were actually doing some tests. There were some beta Mass but they haven't really made it to mass production where people could talk by using the mask and when they talk about actually have a speaker in the actual mask. So if you were talking low, it could actually project. You're wearing a mask. It's hard to hear yourself. So they had like a space so you could talk and the voice system could actually transmit outside of a speaker that's on the mask.


Marcus Hart: We're really loved one of those because I'm a soft-spoken person. So, when you catch me outside of the mic, so I would love to have one of those if they bring those into existence. So sign me up. 


John C. Morley:  Well, there's a lot of great, you know Technologies, I think coming up the pipe and another one you might have heard before is QR or a QR code. They call it a Quick Response Code and I quote. It's a type of Matrix barcode or two-dimensional barcode first designed in 1994 for the automotive industry. And guess where in Japan a barcode is a machine-readable optical label that contains information about the item to which it is attached. Now you've seen these Salat on the cell phone package has a QR code is something simple that you scan with your phone and that usually brings you to a website or launches a nap or something of that nature, but let's take another perspective Marcus. imagine for a moment QR codes That are linking to People's Health Passports.

Well China's Tech Arsenal has this already? Daily life in China follows a rhythm of a digital check in with the QR code at the office malls and transport


Marcus Hart:, Yeah, this is definitely is important. I can see how it would help to slow down covid, you know in as such a congested area. That is China so but The quote-unquote help passport this this kind of scares me at the same time.


John C. Morley: Absolutely Marcus it gets into what I told privacy. Yeah, and the way it works in China is you basically scan a QR code and you have to get a green pass in the health app, and it's kind of practice for them to be used at offices restaurants shopping malls SportsCenter. And transport stations now in the United States right now, and I'm speculating but just to be able to get on a plane. I had mentioned this a while back. I was always getting test before I flew on a plane for my own Better Health and because I'm a responder other people were not doing that now United has mentioned that you have to either have a vaccination card showing that you're vaccinated or you have to have your results from your test showing that you're negative.


Marcus Hart: Wow, you know, this is really starting to pry into privacy a lot. You know, it's just like a can somebody you know, how many partners have you slept with, you know past couple of months. And and did you catch anything, you know, you know so like this to me it really it really you can't really borderline because if they can ask you that and get away with it, you know. With these doors open for other things to take an action.


John C. Morley: Yeah, it's not the asking that I have the problem with its who they're sharing the information with because there might be some validity to ask me something for a medical app. However, accesses that app  will have access to that?

Exactly and are they using that to exploit us and possibly? get millions of dollars or larger because now they have a captive audience since they know that I'm positive or some other condition about me and I think that's just unfair.


John C. Morley: it is very unfair because once you are bombarded with all of these different mediums, you know phone calls and different, you know, then your emails already are sending bulk enough and now you're getting bombarded with more emails and You wondering how do these people get ahold a hold of my social security number and all this different stuff and it gets you gets pretty troubling that point.

Your information is all over as we know. Yeah, and not to get into this too deeply but there was a lady this was a show and it was based on a true story where she actually had lost her job and she actually stripped a man that was doing very well financially. All of his identity and she called him

Warning him about a security risk saying that you don't want to lose your identity right now. So we need to get you signed up with this program right away. And she asked him for his social security number and his credit card number.

But it gets better. She then has the information and now she can print credit cards on demand in his name.

It took him months before he was able to get his identity back and when he finally met her

She said, I'm sorry, but it's nothing to do with you. You're just another number and I do this as you are just a number.


Marcus Hart: Wow,

John C. Morley: That's something to chew on isn't it?


Marcus Hart: Yeah, it is.


John C. Morley: All right. I'm a little lighter note. They're trying to get I guess a little bit more green. No pun intended Apartments made from waste glass and textiles are using green ceramics. Then kitchen splash backs the front the islands of the kitchens and they're starting to put together Apartments using waste materials and they're saying this can revolutionize the home construction industry and it's going to make a change and help people save money because it's going to now have a green tag unquote .


Marcus Hart: it. Yeah.


John C. Morley: But I don't know. Do you want things green? I don't know if I want my kitchen

Speaker 3: green. No, can you people still want options, but I can see the doing it for just the greater good of mankind, but at the end of they this week still want to options and we still want to like our like our own colors and like our own

John C. Morley: taste. I'll give you example you're building a cafeteria for a school right and it's going to cost you several million

Speaker 3: dollars.


John C. Morley: Well by us doing a green we might save. half a million hypothetically So that might be a reason because again, they're only in the cafeteria for a short period of time maybe some Labs maybe pharmaceutical companies might use it to construct the labs of their Islands possibly.

Yeah, this this type of stuff makes sense, you know, but when it comes to somewhere where you're going to be dwelling it for a while, you know, you kind of want to make your home your home and and if you're not happy with green you mean small hit

Now we were touching on a topic before of called wearable micro grid, but if you noticed I was deliberately hedging that topic and the reason is is because it was coming up later in the show. So wearable micro grid Nano engineers at a university in California have develop a wearable micro grid that harvests and stores energy from the human body to power small electronics Internet of Things devices that you may have on your person any time. All the parts are flexible washable and B can be screen printed onto clothing. So this is going to change things a lot. The wearable micro grid is built from a combination of flexible electronic parts, and they were developed by the Nano bio Electronics team of the UC San Diego Nano engineering department by Professor. Joseph Wang say that a million times fast.

and he is the director of the center for the wearable sensors at the UC San Diego and corresponding author on the current study. Each part is screen printed onto a shirt and placed in a way that optimizes the amount of energy collected they call them biofuel cells and they harvest energy from the sweat that are located inside the shirt at the chest. So that device we were talking about before could use this technology to not use any type of


Marcus Hart: Outside power. Yeah,


John C. Morley: and it's interesting because this wearable micro grid uses energy from human sweat and movement to power an LCD. So not only is it swept but it's also movement and when you combine both of these together You get something interesting and they do makeup for each other shortcomings. Now Yen said and I quote their complementary and synergistic to enable fast startup and continuous power the system boots two times faster than having just biofuel cells alone and it lasts three times longer than a tribo electric generator alone. So where we're trying to go with this is saying that sustainability is one thing but now be able to to go all the way down and harness it to something else. I think that's going to make things amazing.

Speaker 3: They were not far off in the previous years. This is kind of what people were looking forward to and you know something that we kind of saw in Sci-Fi movies and now here it is it even has to look, you know, everybody's going to walk around looking like a Power Rangertribal electric generators, basically give up. Power right away as soon as the user starts moving and before breaking a sweat. And then once the user starts to sweat, then what we call the biofuels start to provide even more power. So if the user stops moving they still have a way to gain power.

That's pretty genius. If you ask me


Marcus Hart: This is a pretty cool invention we got here. So, this is great.


John C. Morley: The question is how much of they tested it Marcus. That's what I want to know. Are there any side effects with it? I mean we have to think about these

things. Yeah, it makes you think about Iron Man.


Marcus Hart : Exactly. Yes. Yeah


John C. Morley: yeah, that that would be a good girl good. I don't think somebody that has a pacemaker would want to wear this obviously, you know, you wouldn't want to wear it. Also, I bet it would cause some little bit of fun or more than a real party at the airport going through security with one of these devices. What the heck is this all this is my bio. All suit to power my laptop while I'm on the plane. Okay, sir. Can you take that off? Huh? Well, it's under my shirt. Okay, would you like a private screening? We laugh but you know, there's coming a time when it's becoming hard to separate what's legitimate technology and what's technology that could possibly become a weapon.


Marcus Hart: Yeah,

John C. Morley: oh boy. Now many of us are attending conferences. I'm sure you attended zooms and other events online. I think just a few weeks ago. You were attending one of your children's teachers’ conferences.


Marcus Hart: Yeah. Well another one is coming up soon


John C. Morley: another one coming up soon, and maybe it's just you and another person or maybe it's just you well now if you're in a group or a meeting And being able to have a robot decide who to interact with based on the one that's not interacting with them or paying attention. So, how do you do that? Well, that's a great question the robot keeps track of your stare glance. And when it sees that it's not balanced. It engages you. I'm pretty impressed with that.

Marcus. Yeah, I am too. This is its real key, you know for connection I think oftentimes when you have someone who's a keynote speaker someone who is presenting or perhaps in this case, maybe even the teacher they may not be as good as what the robot is trained to do to engage the audience and encourage their participation.

I think what the robot It's going to learn a certain set of behavior. and a human could become tired if they were teaching for X hours. A robot would be able to perform that task for many hours before needing a recharge. 

Marcus Hart Yeah

John C. Morley: and it would do it a lot more efficiently.  That’s going to be a very interesting thing and I want to make a quote from them. If someone is not inclined to participate for some reason, we showed that gaze is able to overcome the difference and help everyone to participate.

That's pretty amazing Marcus. it is it is the power of when to utilize it and how to utilize it which is what these robots are going to be out to be trained to do and Troy. I feel sorry for some teachers that may be out of some jobs have two robots are doing better than them.

So. I think all this comes back to one main point and that is the fact that technology is reshaping our lives.


Marcus Hart:  Yeah,


John C. Morley: totally we've seen that, you know, there's a different types of Technology products that people can wear from iot to now having your own bio cell that can be right on your body, but when they actually take these things like movement and sweat Storing them into some type of a battery because those aren't directly energy but the using the special generator to be able to do that. So I think that's pretty neat speaking about, you know, neat things and you know, really having technology that is sustainable and understanding our world. My next guest who I'm very pleased to have join us. His name is Doctor. Far shed, puff Lonnie and he is a very interesting person. We're going to get to talk to him. He actually talks a lot about sustainability and Sustainable Solutions for industry profit and Longevity. So what he does in a nutshell is he helps companies figure out what they need to do to take the waste of that product and turn it into something else or create less waste. And allow us to use that to preserve our environment. I think that's pretty neat. So ladies and Gentlemen, please help me welcome. Dr. Farr shed. Puff Lonnie from who's gone to Tohoku University and he's joining us from around the world. I'm very pleased to have him with us tonight to talk to us about sustainability our business and our environment. Of course, the planet that we're on. Well, hello everyone its Jon C morally with the JMOR Tech talk show and I am so pleased today to have dr. Farshid with us on our show. Thank you so much doctor for joining us today. We greatly appreciate Dr. Farshid: it. Thank you, John, for having me on your show. Thank you.

John C. Morley: It is our pleasure. And you have quite a background. I have to say, you know, I want to ask you one question. How did you get into this? Field of sustainability energy and waste and what got you so passionate, you know to want to do.


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: this. So, my background and my study was in the material science and engineering and I always was obsessed about the material and whenever I see a product I want to know that what material it made but then it slowly I realized that when we have this then we call the material as a waste or product as a waste that product is reached its end of the life, but the material itself is perfectly good material. And we can use it again and again, so that's why I become obsessed about the vests and obsess about the how we can these wish we call it as a waste. You can bring it back to the economy. We can reuse it and produce a product out of it and keep it in the economy more and more and that's why I'm now very passionate about this material


John C. Morley:  So, when you talk about this, it's really fascinating. What is it for our viewers here tonight? If we want to just break this down for them and just simple terms what's an example of this type of chain or something that most of our viewers could probably relate to


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: so imagine a textile. For example, we have these clothes Envy Envy realtor, but when we did that for example come out of the fashion or is Basically, we are and tear be call it as a waste and we put it into the bin and it's go to the base. But when you look at it closely the fibers into these tanks are less still very good fibers is a still good quality material that can be reused again, but because its function as a textile is function as is function as a closing has been finished we call it vexed. But if you look at that, and we see that how we can reuse those. Those fibers in other products or in other application for example in we can use them into the producing acoustic material for building. So they in that case we don't call them the waste we can call them as a resource the function as a closing has been finished, but we can use them to produce another product in another application. 


John C. Morley: Okay. So basically, if I want to simplify this for everyone it's taking a product if we would say that whether we have garbage or whether we might have a TV set and there's things in that TV set or let's take a hard drive. Everybody knows what a hard drive is digital or the mechanical ones. You actually take apart the hard drive and you take apart the components so that you can reuse those components to different things like energy Etc. Is that the Tigers letter?


Dr. Farshad Pahlevani: That's one aspect of you. For example, let's continue on the hard drive. So we have the hard drive. The harder has some metallic components on polymer inside and there are some of them is mixed together if we just want to separate one by one from that is actually become a little bit difficult because for example, some of them you can easily separate them, but some of them is so entangled together and you cannot Separate them individually and it took a lot of for example money energy to separate them individually and that's a barrier at this moment. And that's why the people are not recycled them and they it's more cost-effective to send them to the landfill. But if now we change your mind we look at them as a whole as a component. For example, if you have the different metallic material and polymer together, and we see that how we can refer. Warm them to a new material then you can find a cost-effective processed which is economically viable. But at the same time you can use the material into that to produce a product. For example, you can produce new alloy for other application. You don't need to necessarily use the hard drive separate them and again produce a hard drive, but you can use the hard drive and produced for example copper based Alloys or you Can produce another component which is useful so that that's a whole idea of the reforming so we can recycle when we can but if for example, we reach the limitation then we can use the reforming or we can use other techniques to again keep these material into the economy.


John C. Morley:  Is there a standard I know you've obviously engineered a lot in this but is there a certain process like a manufacturing? There's like a 3.0 4.0. Is there a standard that was written for this that companies have to follow or have to administer or is that still being developed right now?

Speaker 1: So it's still it's in the development. So there is unfortunately there is no a standard on that and also not not only on the procedure to recycle them or deform them. But also there is no standard and the product that made out of recycled material. So that's a limitation and that's a barrier for the companies to reuse the material or recycle

them at this moment.  When I think about Recycling and sustainability, one of the big ones that comes to my mind are two things solar panels and also car washes people say to you your crazy car washes waste a lot of water don't they and solar panels seem like they have a certain amount of life, but then they're thrown away also light bulb. So, can you talk to us a little bit about what would be the process of making sure that's correct because I'm sure a lot of these are going to be found in landfills


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: very soon. Yes, yes. So, the solar panel is very challenging at this moment. Why the technology is very good producing the electricity Renewal Energy is perfectly fine is very good. But the way did design these solar panels unfortunately is not recyclable. They are so embedded together and that there is no solution to say. And that's why we call them as a emerging challenges in the next five to six years. The number of these solar panels that coming for as a waste and going to the landfill is increasing drastically and there is a huge amount of the good material in that for example in hundred kilogram of the solar within 1000 kilogram of the solar panels. We have around 600 kilograms of the / very good glass we have On the hundred eighty kilogram of the aluminum and we have .6 kilogram of silver in there and all of them is going to the landfill so that that's a barrier normally when we design a product and we want to bring the product. We don't think about their end of the life and we designed them just the best way that at that moment we can to have the performance but if we think also about their end of the life then Then we can design them better. So that's emerging challenge or solar panels. And that's why now, one of the work that we are doing and focusing on is to find a way that we can take these very good material in the solar panels bring them back into our resources.


John C. Morley: economy. And I bet that's probably very expensive right now because not everybody's doing that right? It's a it's something that's emerging. I mean, it will become more cost-effective habit as far as like car washes and water and things like that. Is there a sustainability to that or not really because I know they just have a lot of waste there something don't recycle the water. Is there anything that can be done with water or not? Really?


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: Yeah, there is a lot of good in the case of the water. There is a lot of good. Water treatment processes that is already available. So they can basically capture the water. They can filter them. They can process them and reuse them in their same process. The problem is because the cost of installation of that is higher than the cost of the water they use for in the system. So that that's a bad idea. They don't want to put the Investments and upfront and then get the benefit later. 


John C. Morley: So, that's like the government. The government needs to put some type of a I guess a rebate or incentive to get people to want to do these things. Do you see things like that coming in the future or not for a while?


Dr. Farshi Pahlevani: No, I think the in some cases they're coming for example in the solar panels now because the government especially in the country like Australia, which I am in so because we have a lot of solar farms and a lot of solar panels is coming for example the companies that government putting some Incentives they put some money in that to find a solution for the water. Also the countries that they have less voters resources. Now, they're putting this with this legislation and these barriers but there's some of the countries no because they don't see the need for that and they did they haven't realized that the water is the precious and they have to protect that. And you make a very good point a lot in a lot


John C. Morley: Out of all your articles that you talked about; were you refer to the point that you know, we are on a land or maybe on a farm and we don't really understand. You know, what needs to be done to preserve our resources so that we have clean water. We have the proper food and I think that's that's a problem. A lot of people I guess they just take it for granted. And even it lots of cost people don't realize that you know, it's very similar to drilling oil right when there's no more oil to be drilled. Well, what do you do? No amount of money in the world could get any more oil back.


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: Yes. exactly. So that's a good point on you mentioned. I always refer to that. So, imagine that we are living in a farm and we have to produce or food and we have lived. We have to leave there for six months and there is no connection between us and outside that far and you have to produce your food. They have to have the resources we have to use the water is there so what we are doing is we are if for example we are we are supposed to live into that form for six months and survive there. Are we going to take care of that farm. Are we going to take care of the trees inside that the food that producer and land or we are going to I majored in the first one month chop, all the trees burned them and make the energy and destroyed of water and and then the rest we don't have anything. So if you realize that we are doing the same in this planet. So we are we have only this planet that we there is no other way that for example, we damage this and then we pack all suitcase and go to the another planet. So we have the limited resources we have just these you know hand so and if if we damage this planet, so we basically damage yourself because all survivor is linked to the Survivor of this planet. So if we realize that then we are we are going to take care of the planet. We are going to understand and for example use whatever we can to damage this planet list, but the problem is we haven't realized that point yet. We think that whatever we do there is Versus is unlimited. We can we have a lot of for example water we have land we have trees and we can do whatever we want and produce those things that it's comfortable for us.


John C. Morley: I love the point you made Doctor far Street where you say that you know, we have to walk in nature. I always loved taking my our walk every day. But how many people actually take time out of their day to literally like I say unplug from technology being an engineer I It's important that we do unplug and what I take that walk. I still have technology on me and I listen to music or meditations but there's no phone calls coming in during that time. There's no me checking text or checking emails. I'm just allowing the sounds and the meditations to just allow me to just be.


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: Yes. Yes, so I


John C. Morley: think when we get to appreciate things, that's the only time when we start to respect nature, In it.

Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. And and that's the time that when we connect to the nature when we realize that we are part of these the planet we are part of this nature. We realize that for example or food is coming from this land and we should take care of it. So that's a point when we go to the nature. This is helping us to relax is helping us to for example have the blue for example a better way of thinking but at the same time is we realize that we have to take care of this planet because also array is linking to the survival of the planet.


Fascinating, I Wish more people would take time not just for the environment but also for themselves when you take that time out to take a walk, I always say the creative juices in your mind start to Low, because you know, you're not looking at the board as we've been taught many times in school when we can't solve something walk away from the problem and forget about it, then come back to it and the problem just sort of seems different and oh I did I think about that before but with all this coming up a doctor, is it really possible to restore our economy and remove waste or is that a fallacy?


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: No, no it is possible. For example. The reason I always like to mention that is that people under for example, those people are in the manufacturing or in the businesses. They think that the economy and making the money is opposite to take care of the environment and having less waste and that's why we are not taking care of an environment. That's why we are not moving toward the sustainability because we are. The river and we want to make the profit but I believe that these tools  actually go hand in hand. One of the example. For example, you are manufacturing a product you're manufacturing for example, a computer or manufacturing a plastic very simple plastic container so are to scenario in that one you go and buy the vision material from the for example mining the product we make the product by Asian material and produce that product and another scenario is that you have in your surrounding there is a lot of waste plastic. For example, if you can take those waste plastic and convert them to your product then in the second scenario that you're taking the vase from surrounding area. You cut the ribbon for example Transportation you cut the cost for the paying the money for buying the product you even The for example those Waste Company they pay you to take their waste.


John C. Morley: Okay. So right now, it makes sense and now yeah, you are trying for example that for that material you are recycling to the new product. So not only you are helping the environment but also you're making more money so we can have both economically driven we can have the economy and we had can have the sustainability. The only thing is we look at the There's different if you don't think for example, if you want to take that material it cost us a lot but we can buy this stupid. There is a there is no way that the Triad instead of the traditional way which you can make the money and also you can have the sustainable product or sustainability and you can have better environment impact. Let's take a look at the dry cleaning industry. Okay, they use a chemical called Perk ethylene, or they used to for many years. It's now illegal to use that product or to have any machines that have that product. There's a new green product. I believe that they've replaced it with and supposedly that's going to make our environment better. The only challenge has been it doesn't really clean the closes. 


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: Well okay


John C. Morley: That's been the challenge but when you think about these types of things and we talk about you know the waist and what's in our world do we have a percentage of you know, what's in our world from like petroleum's or textiles? Is there a percentage of that? What is that waste percentage number roughly.


Dr. Farshi Pahlevani: So there is a huge \example in different media which is a lot. So I don't have the for example the for the plastic in the world or things but for example one thing in Australia The textile in every 10 seconds. We are sending it for example truck full of the textile to the landfill and only we debated a small population and that's the case for  a lot of other places. So we have a lot of for example, based Excel. We have a lot of waste for Plastics and a lot of electronic waste. So the number is huge and that's why for example all the if you look at the Different countries one of the things that are mentioning is that their landfill is filling up. So there is no other places that they can put all these wastes inside.


John C. Morley: Is this why so many towns like mine Franklin Lakes New Jersey and other communities here in Bergen County and around the world have started to create a ban on plastic bags and plastic straws. Is this the reason is it getting to something about microplastics and what? We have micro-Plastics. I know they can be harmful to our environment, right?


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: Yes. So he's basically had one of the reason is the amount of the base. And the other one is as you mentioned is the micro plastic and the environment. So basically, the for the microplastic if you have a piece of the plastic that go to the environment go to the landfill and you don't recycle them. What is happening to them. They don't degrade to the Base product a base element but they become smaller and smaller particle. So when it's the particle size becomes so a small become the submicron size then we call it as a macro plastic. There is an easy. They can fly by the air they can go they can stay in there because they are very tiny and small. We can Breeze them in be can the other animals and things they can go to their body we can eat them and that's the main. Issue now from the health perspective, for example a few months back. There was a research that coming out that shows that mention that each of us pervy we eat equivalent to one credit card of the plastic and imagine that those plastic we cannot digest them. It's either a stay in the system or caused the damage to us. So that that's a that's a very serious issue and I'm sure that not all the people know about that and the good thing is now they are start to Banning these plastic the destroy the put the shopping bag plastic and things that's a good point to a start to reducing the amount of the policy. But at the same time we have to think about their recycling the material whatever other plastic we have if we don't recycle them and we send them to the landfill because we produce a lot of microplastic and a lot of


John C. Morley: pollution. So it's almost like you know these Plastics and these different waste materials in our world. We have to do something with them. Right we have 

to burn them. We have to hopefully see that they'll be a part of a by micro or biodegradable

composite if that's possible. Not everything does have that ability know some food now that the food is obviously biodegradable, but the bags are actually biodegradable after they're in the Sun for so many hours. So I think our plan is taking the right approach that what do you think?


Dr. Farshi Pahlevani: Yeah. I agree. We do end up with the good thing that is now the awareness be in the mind of the customer and the mind of the people is increasing. They know that there is a plastic issue and because they know that there is there is an issue then the manufacturer and the supplier. They are trying to change the way they're going to the biodegradable or other. Other source of the input material so that's a good thing another good. Another thing that I think that is slowly we are going to add that is to be aware that the vein we put the plastic or anything because just we cannot eliminate the plastic totally and we cannot for example for every component that we have. We cannot make them biodegradable. So St. We will have the plastic in the system, but we To change the concept that we these plastic cannot be recycled and all of them should go to the landfill. There is a proven technology and there are a lot of other way to recycle these polymers and keep them in the do so, I think if we are going to a good direction, we need a little bit of the speed to the speed of the things and to make sure that or effort is actually come to the good. Descale that we can protect our environment.


John C. Morley: Then motivate people to do this because just the cost I know of doing a Waste Recovery plan. I think we're talking somewhere around 300 million dollars. I mean it's not inexpensive to build one of those. I was looking at the costs and there's a lot involved with not just the permits in the plans, but you would never think 300 million dollars to build a Waste Recovery plant, which is why a lot of counties. Towns actually bring it to their neighbors or in our case. They bring it off to a landfill in Pennsylvania, which we know that can't be very good. This has been really educational doctor if I should but I just have to of last questions but one question I want to ask you is you talk a lot about denim to paper and I just want to understand that analogy. Can you give us a little quick rundown because I found that fascinating that you're always talking about that.


Dr. Farshi Pahlevani: Yeah, so this is one of the brand I try to basically showcase that the creative idea about the base material. For example, one of the solution is that then can be transferred to the paper. And because the main component of those is the Cotton so cotton can easily be transformed to a PayPal produce the product out of it. But the main concept behind that is that we look at the waist differently if we just look at them as a textile or as for example the dinner then we say okay, there is no solution to that. It's very steering and we have to send to the landfill. But now if you look at them as a material, we realize that they are produced from the cotton fiber and then we say wow the cotton fiber can be changed with for example to the paper and that that's a beauty of these solutions that we look at them differently and we see them as a resource instead of as a waste and that's why I'm talking about that or other Solutions, which I'm talking


John C. Morley: so really is getting to the threads no pun intended of what is making the composite in this case cotton, which actually is very logical because It is the fibers of those two components if we were talking about plastic and something else. They might have a very similar analogy. Maybe it's not cotton. It's something else but I guess you have to look at what the micro components are to these different items and then see how do you I guess dispose of those you can't look at the whole item from what I'm understanding from you you have to look at what brings the item together. Yeah, is that correct? Yes. This is been so that really has


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: Yeah. Yes. That's the whole idea because when those components come together, they produce a product that correct. When is reach to the end of the life, then there is no way to look at them as a product because it is done its purpose now we have to look deeper and see that that product made of but material but component and each of those materials. On component what we can do with them and how we can basically recycle them.


John C. Morley: Is there a day in the United States around the world

For something that makes people mindful of how to recycle other than just general recycling. Is there some kind of day for

this? In there is there an example where for example, the people encourage the people to think more about that, but I don't think it really

gets to the heart of the matter. I mean it gets them to get the cursory review but it doesn't get them to dive deep like we're doing here. Yes. I think there needs to be another day more like component biodegrade mission day. Or Waste Management day understanding, you know, do you really know what's in the stuff you're producing and how are you getting rid of it? So I guess the moral of the story here. Dr. Farshid is that you have to hire a company. Basically, if you don't know what these things are that you're producing. You've got to hire a consultant to basically help you and I'm assuming that's what you do to say. Look this is what you're producing you're producing metal, but you're putting a lot of carbon. Knocks that other gases into the air because of what you're doing. And now when you make this product you're producing this and that's why I guess a lot of these companies now, I have start understand this they put the silos out there and they try to cap. I guess their waste expenditure so they could just I guess mitigate a little bit. They can't eliminate a hundred percent. But I guess if we all could control our waste we could really make a big difference on the planet couldn't wait.

Speaker 1: Yes exactly. I'm become reduce a lot of for example Omission of that they can reduce the we can help the sustainability of the planet, but at the same time the companies can get benefit they can they can make money out of these processes. So that that's why I'm coming from I'm helping the companies to realize that why these actions they can make money they can actually produce the profit regardless of this sustainability is a benefit is it's very sickly the the Green product that produce in the same process that they're doing they can actually make money.


John C. Morley: And that's got to open up. A lot of people's eyes. But the other thing I want to share with people is that if you don't take the initiative to mitigate your waist, I'm sure there's going to be some Hefty fines by some different Federal associations and government associations. That will say Hey, you know, you're above this limit were either shutting you down or were charging you with three thousand dollar fee per day or something like that or maybe worse.


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: Yeah, yeah that's coming for me. It's not good enough at this moment. But there is for example like the carbon tax tax. You're not for example the carbon tax and if you produce this much of the more carbon dioxide than you have to pay money for the VA is unfortunately there is no kind of the desk fine or tax in that but some countries like for example, Australia, they are increasing the price that you have to pay to send the vase to Landfill so is actually the company they have to pay money to for their base to be disposed and they are increasing it every year. So because of that the companies like to reuse their race because even if they don't send them to the landfill and then reuse it that that's a huge amount of the money. They


John C. Morley: will save you. Is there a formula dr. Varsha that people should be following like as it 10% has to go to landfill and 80% should be destroyed house. Is there some type of a general formula we can give our viewers or not, really?

Speaker 1: I like to say that hundred percent of your waist shouldn't go to the landfill and you how you can reuse them or you can treat them but there is not not a straightforward that for example, the this number depends on the process depend on the manufacturing and depend on the type of the ways. There is always variation.

John C. Morley: What ways dr. Farshid. Can we not actually let's say put through a process of Asian or something like that. What are the waste that basically we can I mean obviously I know like some of the chemicals they're always landfill like in a like a safety clean or things like that from a dry clean plan or chemical plant. We can't really do too much with them dry cleaning. We can actually burn or boil them out and then make it clean but it's still you still have a little bit of sludge and that's still winds up going to landfill. What else can we not really recycle that has to go into the landfill


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: Unfortunately, I have to say at this moment that those there are those complex products. For example, if you have a few type of the plastic they are embedded together or even some of the texts that for example the textiles because they have the natural fiber polymeric fiber. They are embedded together and okay the separate very difficult, but in each of these cases except the chemicals in each of these cases, for example, if you have combination of some polymer together or texter We are we are introducing a term as a reforming instead of recycling and reforming means that you don't need to separate them and you can deform them to a new product.


John C. Morley: So, it's like almost repurposing it. So like you said you took the they took the fibers from the jeans and you met paper and maybe something that had been a battery might take the copper the zinc and that could be used for something else either a new battery plate or may be made in some kind of component form metal for a car or for a dash or a motor or something else. So there's lots of I guess yeah ways that we can do what they did. Years ago, which is the man at the interchangeable parts. Yes, and I think now it's changing because it's not being interchangeable as it is currently but it's how its transformed. So it's almost the waste management and the rebuilding of parts that become interchangeable in a way that really we're never possible because of the manner the form they were and it's almost like you have a gas a liquid and a solid and you can change them. Um in certain States, but there's sometimes you can't because of the environment or other conditions and that's what this reminds me of is that you're not able to always change that like, let's take some of the covid vaccines right now if you take some of them at you bring them down and temperature. Well, then the product basically transforms into something that it could be fatal or something that could be totally useless because now the polymers and All the different components in the chemical ions, putting things together are not creating those same clouds. They're breaking apart


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: Yes. Yes. Exactly.


John C. Morley: This is really fascinating. I hope a lot of you will take more time to research this because if you have a company or you're a citizen living in the world anywhere, I believe it's our duty to take care of our country. Just like we need to preserve our ozone layer. We need to preserve ourselves. We need to take care of our country and our world because if we don't take care of it, no one else will this has been fascinating? Dr. Farr should is there some way or information you'd like to leave with our viewers if they like to reach out for you? If they have more questions, would you like to share any details or any last words for our

Speaker 1: viewers? Yes, so if anybody wants to reach out I have I'm in the linking and active there so they can dish out there and they can we can talk more about that and just one last thing for everybody that we're doing here. I always say these to everybody that for next time if you want to send some of if you want to throw something into the being just pause for one second or two seconds and look at that and ask this question or yourself that Is there any other way that I can reuse that or I can recycle the instead of trying to the be and that that's a question that we have to ask ourselves every day.

John C. Morley: Almost like when we shred paper, we shred it. But then is there another purpose for that? We've taken it from now being this large pail of waste into just some fine micro deposits that are probably going to be a lot cheaper to dispose of in a lot easier,


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani:  Yes,


John C. Morley: a lot easier to recycle. So like a doctor Forrest it said when you're going to throw something out just take a breath maybe count to five and take a nice big deep breath and think about where that's going to go. And is there something else maybe you can use to possibly repurpose it now or in the future again, this has been really remarkable and we really do appreciate your time here on the Jay more Tech talk show. We've learned so much. I know. I've learned a lot. I've always been into recycling, but I've learned so much more in the time that we've had and again, I want to thank you for coming on our show.


Dr. Farshid Pahlevani: No, thank you very much for having me very lucky. 


John C. Morle:  It is our pleasure.


John C. Morley: Wow, what did you think about Dr. Farshi Pahlevani, I mean that's an interesting conversation about waste which we usually don't have but knowing that we can actually take a concerted effort to be able to manage our waste to turn it into something else kind of blew my mind. We need to


Marcus Hart: We have to have more conversations like this because we are totally  like missing out on the opportunities? Is like exactly what he describes it's like when we get rid of this stuff and we go to do we recycle it. Nothing happens. You know, it's just zero we turn after afterwards so we ought to make something out of it and put it back into the economy so we can make some money.


John C. Morley: Yeah. Definitely. I mean if people just understand even when we're talking about these big stores that we know online one of them starts with an A and you know what I mean? I mean for whatever reason they actually include a higher price tag, and that's because they know that things are going to be returned and a lot of things that are returned. They never get sent back to the manufacturer. Did you know


Marcus Hart: that I did not know that so that's doesn't know news for me. So, wow. Yes,

John C. Morley: That is very good new news.


Marcus Hart: Right? Yeah. It is very very new


John C. Morley:  So speaking about, you know, Recycling and other things in the world. Solar is making a very very big breakthrough. I mean, we haven't heard a lot in solar in a while, but there is a solar cell breakthrough that recently came to our eyes and researchers are observing a singlet fission reaction at a nanosecond time scale. So this is going to greatly affect the efficiency of solar cells and it can increase By taking the process known as singlet fission and allowing that to cause even more of a reaction which we were never to do until now and that was a major problem. And this research group now is led by lots of scientists and also the link hopping University and Sweden has discovered what happens during singlet fission and where the lowest energy goes and the results have been published. Pushed now and it's been amazing because now that we understand where it goes. We can actually harness it so that it's not dissipated and we can use it.

Speaker 3: This is this is great. I think this great real great news. Sometimes I get lost when I hear the word physics and then and then when I see the work chemistry, but when it's explained and what this new news brings in store for us what we know is that You know, we going to have something that's cheap to manufacture and something that's going to be was already existing in our technology. 


Marcus Hart:  Absolutely. So, this is definitely not only a breakthrough but a revolution that I think is going to save a lot of homeowners and businesses money.


John C. Morley:  Very happy to hear that.


Marcus Hart:  Okay. I know he was so yeah,


John C. Morley: there's not a lot of experts like him that really understand our world and how to preserve what we have those resources people say gee, you know conserve electricity save water, you know, turn off the lights we are not using it, but that's Not really doing anything major. I mean that stuff we've been doing for eons.


Marcus Hart: Yeah.


John C. Morley: Now our friends at Instagram are going to be rolling out which is owned by Facebook as you guys all know to a hundred seventy countries plus Instagram l light.  So this is going to be a more slim down version of Instagram and it's going to allow people to use it at these other countries without needing as much



Marcus Hart:  Hmm.

John C. Morley: And the Facebook team has been working for a long time to put together an app in Instagram that allows people to communicate while not being let's say scrutinized by The Regulators and they believe that this is going to make everyone happy, which that's never an easy thing to do when you have regulation.


Marcus Hart: No, it's not. It's definitely going to help those who are broad be able to participate in the social network and fun. So I think it's a win on that end. Yeah, and it's a win automated because the wind for Facebook


John C. Morley: absolutely. If we get more countries on board, I think that's going to be a fantastic or our last story this evening. I don't know where the where the night goes. It's a leap and it's a really a big one to get behind the scenes of battery research and use artificial intelligence to make a battery last longer. And have more efficiency. So, researchers are now using scientific methods along with artificial intelligence to take this gigantic step and using this machine learning to redesign batteries from the way. we've known them today. So they're going to study basically how the charge to the discharge the life of the battery and this new study is going to make batteries different than the way we thought I mean you've heard about batteries that say they're supercharged. Well, this is going to go way beyond that and I want to make a quote here Battery Technology is important for any type of electric powertrain said Patrick harran now senior. Search scientists from Toyota Research Institute, and I quote by understanding the fundamental reactions that occur within the battery. We can extend its life enable faster charging and ultimately designed better battery materials. So I think that's another thing that Mr. Farshi Pahlevani would like because you know batteris are our resource that gets wasted in our environment because you know when they're done they're done, but if we could make something that is consumable last longer and more efficient. Well, I think that would probably, you know be top on his charts.


Marcus Hart: You're talking about a lot of waste that can be just reduce is totally a huge problem and batteries as you know, when you when you run in dead on a LED with where your with the way your future is pointing towards right now, we have to have better battery battery battery technology.


John C. Morley: I agree and it's not just the nickel cadmium battery or the