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Radio show date 11-12-2021

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 (John C. Morley) (00:00)
Just take it away from Facebook. Okay. And then gradually package it under a different name and service level and do the same darn thing with maybe a few more securities on it.

 (Marcus) (00:20)
Yeah. It sounds like you hit the nail right on the head there, John. And if I was a smart guy, you know, trying to get out of a sinking ship, I would agree with you.

John C. Morley (00:33)
So I just don't put a lot of trusts, even their advertising platform, not to get to ranking on Facebook, but even their advertising plot. It doesn't do what it used to do. Marcus. It was a lot more powerful.

(JMOR tech talk show. We answer questions about technology. Explain the way they should work and why they tone sometimes.)

 John C. Morley (Host): (00:57)

Well, hey everybody, it is John C. Morley serial entrepreneur. And welcome again to the JMOR tech talk show on another wonderful Friday evening, Marcus. It is so great to be with you tonight. How are you doing now with us being in? Can you believe this is the second week of November?

Marcus Heart(01:15)
Yeah. So the year it's almost outta here, John. We'll be out of here real soon.

John C. Morley (host): (01:20)
So we'll be having some Turkey and falling asleep with all that natural set of enzymes in Turkey. And then pretty soon we'll be getting ready to lug out the mixer and make cookies. And then I think we'll be ringing the new year.
Marcus Heart(01:36)
Yeah. It's coming. It’s right around the corner here, you know, very near it knocking at our doors. 

John C. Morley: (01:41)
 Well, we Have a great show for you today as we always do, but before we do, I would like to thank our sponsor for the downshift offense. And this leads me to an interesting antidote. Many of you don't know that besides being a serial entrepreneur, I'm also an actor and I've been in many plays. Recently I was in a play right here in the Franklin lakes area called Flow follies. It's a not-for-profit. And one of the parts that I played in this play was to be the owner of a mechanic shop. And the way it worked was there's a group of people that are watching TV and it was kind of like a flashback into your past. Well, this one girl was watching the TV set at and kind of, you know, thinking about what it would be like to be a mechanic.
And then we kind of wish her into the future. And then she walks into my shop and the other two gentlemen that worked for me see her, and she says, she's coming to apply for a job as a mechanic. And I look at her, resume me, say she does hear trannie. She did tune-ups breaks. So my guys are like, but can she fix this load of junk? And she's like, move aside guys. And then she goes, and she fixes the car. She turns it on. And then she comes back and it’s like, this woman has fixed the car.

Marcus Heart(03:09)

John C. Morley: (03:11)
All right. So this other lady has a podcast downshift aufense that's a-u-f-e-n-s-e if you would like the woman's perspective on understanding the automotive industry and maybe not to get sideswiped by other gentlemen that unfortunately happens. I would check out her podcast, downshift the audience and see exactly what it's about and maybe give ladies a little more comfort and freedom to being able to go to a mechanic shop and not feeling like they walked into something and they want to have their head examined. So again, thank you to our sponsor. 

Marcus Heart(03:52)
I like that. Thank you, John. Thank you. Balance it. Awesome.

John C. Morley :(03:56)
Thank you. Yeah, we always try to put nice span again. We appreciate it now this show is, it’s going to be awesome. So Facebook ladies and gentlemen, I'm not sure if you know this Marcus, but did you know Facebook is going to do a rebranding and change their name?

Marcus Heart(04:11)
John, if, if we can think back to many episodes ago, you predicted that Facebook was going to run away from all the bad press that they get and all the junk

John C. Morley: (04:21)
I did. And, you know, without naming names here, I just feel that this company is a want to be. I mean, I know they make tons of money. Okay. But that's not all there is to business because one day Marcus, you could be at the top and the next day you could be way at the bottom.
Marcus Heart (04:37)
That's very true.

John C. Morley: (04:39)
And just the way this company started, it just leaves this pit in my stomach. I'm sure. You know, we know the story, so we don't have to go into it, but the fact that they want to get away from the name Facebook, I think there's been a stigma associated with that name. Am I correct?

Marcus Heart (04:56)
Yeah. It's very stinky at this point. And I don't think, you know, they go on and ever be able to escape this ghost.

John C. Morley: (05:05)
No, and I wasn't sure if their original plan was to rebrand so that they could go a different way. But then somebody said that they might be trying to create a new master company. Okay. And then have Facebook under, I don't know. I think they should get rid of the Facebook name. So their new name is meta metaverse.

Marcus Heart (05:35)
As you said earlier, John, they're a bunch of, want to be and this is well, this is just loose to it you know

John C. Morley: (05:42)
Even, and of course, they already told their wonderful followers that drink their cool-Aid and, you know eat their jam that on October 28th they were planning this unveil. So they're going to spend lots of money. They're going to have lots of new rules. They have over 10,000 employees. I just don't know Marcus, there, there's something about this company that just doesn't sit well with me. And I think it's the fact, oh yeah. I know what it was. They do unscrupulous things for money. That’s what it was. I just remember,

Marcus Heart (06:20)
Well, let's not be a while to figure that out a way to the

John C. Morley: (06:25)

What's that? 

Marcus Heart (06:25)

They scam their way into the stock market. They scam their way into the stock market by being
John C. Morley: (06:29)
Everybody thinks they're so hot. And then other people say, you know, they've been, they've been planning this change for a long time. Now, are they going to come back with integrity Marcus? Or are they going to just keep operating the same dumb way they have been?

Marcus Heart (06:46)
I don't know, you know, but I gotta even deeper question, you know, with their different products, you know, like WhatsApp and Instagram and Oculus. What more can they do, John? Do you think they going to expand anything else besides that?

John C. Morley: (06:57)
Well, I think the reason for this change, okay. Because Facebook was always a social media platform. We all know that Facebook started in college and it was a dating type availability site to say, who's available who you're looking for and what you're looking for, relationship, etc. one-night stand or whatever. And I feel that they are trying to break the crux of human expectations. And so we know that Facebook's limited by, you know, the social presence they have. So if they go to this name metaverse which they want to go to, they're trying to be your, be-all-end-all. I see that being extremely dangerous for people because now you're not just on Facebook now they're acquiring more types of apps, social media, and other systems that are going to infiltrate people's business and personal lives.

Marcus Heart (07:58)
Yeah. They play in with fire here. And you know, we, we see back in 2015, you know, reading the article here on from the verge, you know, the Google, you know, you know, Snapchat did it as well. And you know, and we know what's the story behind both of those.

John C. Morley: (08:13)
Exactly. And you know what they did with the kids. I mean, that was kind of despicable. I have to say that. So do they get a free license now to exploit kids all over again because they have a new quote-unquote name?

Marcus Heart (08:26)
That's what I'm wondering, you know? And I hope they don't get,

John C. Morley: (08:29)
I think it might, I think they might be perceived at this new company because a lot of you might know, oh metaverse oh yeah, yeah. They're okay. And they may not make the psychological connection, but I gotta tell you if they make those billions and then they hurt all those kids and then they rebrand again, how many times are we going to let a company do that?

Marcus Heart (08:51)
Well, the scary truth about our country is a lot of corporate giants have like, you know, escaped, you know, allowed just lot them to escape. You know the grips of the law and you know this has to stop at some point.

John C. Morley: (09:06)
I agree, but I think the reason they're doing this is they see their funnel of money starting to dwindle. And so Facebook we all know is about trying to elude people to get a good reputation. They don't have a great reputation. They have a lot of money, but I've never been impressed with the way they've done anything and forgot their customer service. It's like what nonexistent.

Marcus Heart (09:36)
You took the word about out of my mouth, John, that's a good one.

John C. Morley: (09:41)
So that's, what's going on with Facebook changing to the metaverse. We'll keep our eyes and ears on them as they progress and see what good or what bad, they do. But one of the things, I want to share with you about Facebook is that Facebook, in case you didn't know this, they're changing their name. But they are shutting down something. They are shutting down their facial recognition system. Hmm. They've announced that they're going to delete over 1 billion face prints. And I quote used as part of the facial recognition system for photo tagging, believing that it had concerns with technology and security. A third of Facebook users were about 1 billion people who opted into the service. Meta vice president of artificial intelligence, Jerome is now under this whole thing, but I feel that this is a ploy Marcus it's, it's a ploy to show the world that they are trying to do the right thing. But I believe.

Marcus Heart (11:08)
 Yeah. That's what it sounds like.

John C. Morley: (11:10)
Yeah. They're making a big public statement that they care about people who care. And it's funny that this all happened after the whistleblower happened to tutor horn. So in case, you're wondering gentlemen, right?

Speaker2 (11:30)

How convenient, right?

John C. Morley: (11:31)

 What's that

Marcus Heart (11:33)
How convenient, right.

John C. Morley: (11:35)
I know. And in case you were wondering, I know you pro probably were. What's going to happen to those tag photos. Well, a spokesperson for Facebook said, and I quote, there would be no change to existing tag photos or videos that were tagged using the technology. Just that there will not be a suggested tag in the future. So it sounds like they're going to keep certain parts of the data. They're going to delete the Facebook data, but they're still going to keep the data that was retained to create something, not the login, but they're still creating the asset to the person.
Marcus Heart (12:14)
What scares me the most about this? John is the ability to sell off this information.

John C. Morley: (12:19)
Yeah. That you read my mind. I feel that Facebook we know is not credible and anytime that they ask people for a passport or all this other nonsense, that's ridiculous. So what's it going to mean for assisting people with their visual impairments? People will still be able to add texts and tags to their photos and videos, but Facebook won't automatically suggest them anymore. All right. Big deal. I'm sure they're going to store information in the back end. So what's going to happen to my face print. Well, according to Facebook quote-unquote, they say it will be deleted. I won't hold my breath on that Marcus.

Marcus Heart (13:00)
Yeah. There there's. And I'm quite sure that whatever we signed upon, you know, it has some, some clear things that

John C. Morley: (13:08)
I agree, understand. And if you opted outta the service before this, or never opted in or delete your account, Facebook said the face print would not be retained. Very interesting. Because you also have a face print, you know, when you use the software, like for face it, but I don't think Facebook use stores your face print though for that, I think we're talking more of visual, you know, like artificial intelligence, things like that.

Marcus Heart (13:48)
Yeah. We know there's a whole lot of visuals on that platform.

John C. Morley: (13:53)
And they claim that only the person who has the face print could access the account user. Yeah. Baloney. So the spokesperson said, and I quote from meta, there are several potentially positive use cases for facial recognition in the future. So what they're trying to do is take it away from Facebook. Okay. And then gradually package it under a different name and service level and do the same darn thing with maybe a few more securities on it.

Marcus Heart (14:36)
Yeah. It sounds like you're hitting the nail right on the head there, John. And if I was a smart guy, you know, trying to get out of a sinking ship, I would agree with you.

John C. Morley: (14:49)
So I just don't put a lot of trusts, even their advertising platform, not to get too ranking on Facebook, but even their advertising platform. It doesn't do what it used to do. Marcus. It was a lot more powerful. I just don't feel that it really reaches the right people and they still crank and charge the same amount of money, but they don't seem to have the same reach anymore.

Marcus Heart (15:13)
It is weakened. And it, it is just not the same. You know you write about that  John

John C. Morley: (15:20)
Speaking about our world and unlocking things I'm about you, but how many times have you tried to use your iPhone? Even my brand new iPhone, 13 Pro Max and you know, we're still wearing masks sometimes we're at a doctor's office, a hospital, and things like that. And you go to use your phone and you can't unlock your phone unless you put your passcode in.

Marcus Heart (15:47)
Yeah. I was having a lot, you know, especially during, you know, the rise of the pandemic.

John C. Morley: (15:51)

 Exactly. And then they add a new feature so that now you could make it very easy to put your password in to unlock it, but that didn't even work well because it was getting so confused and they put a thing in there that you could just easily move to unlock the phone by just choosing it without having to wait for the delay time out. So that was nice. So a new feature now that allows you to unlock your iPhone with glasses or a mask.

Marcus Heart (16:23)
That's very smart. 

John C. Morley :(16:25)
Yeah, but wait, there's catch there's a catch. There's a catch to do this, you must have an apple watch, which needs to be paired with your iPhone. Sounds like a ploy to sell a watch.

Marcus Heart (16:38)

John C. Morley: (16:39)
So your iPhone and your apple watch need to have Wi-Fi and Bluetooth turned on in case you didn't know, but you don't need to be connected to the Wi-Fi network, okay. Big deal. For your apple watch, need to have a passcode and risk detection must be turned on your apple watch, which needs to be on your risk and unlocked. You need to be wearing a mask that covers your mouth and nose or sunglasses or ski goggles that cover your eyes. So let's talk about how to unlock the phone. It's really simple. You can basically just look at the screen and then your watch, when you turn it up, basically will unlock your phone. It doesn't sound like it's worth all that effort, to be honest with you.

Marcus Heart (17:26)
No, it is not worth it. Especially if you not looking to invest in a watch.

John C. Morley: (17:32)
Yeah. And you could spend anywhere from 300 to thousands of dollars. And these apple watches, I don't know if you have one of the old ones, forget it. They take forever to update and then no one is okay, but I don't know. They're clunky. Do you know what I'm saying? The UI on them, I don't think was designed as well as it could be. It was one of those products. I think they are just kind of rushed because they need extra money.

Marcus Heart (18:02)

John C. Morley: (18:03)
So how to set up and unlock with your apple watch in case you're still with us and want to do that, you'll open the setting app on your iPhone, you'll tap the face ID and, and passcode, and then type in your passcode. You're going to scroll down to unlock with an apple watch then turn on the feature next to your watch’s name. If your watch doesn't have risk detection enabled, well you’re asked to turn it on, or of course, it will not work. So how do you unlock your iPhone with your apple watch? Let's tell you there are three simple steps. Once you've purchased your apple watch and you've followed the steps that I've just given you simple, make sure that you're wearing a mask of sunglasses or ski goggles and that your apple watch is on your wrist and unlocked, okay. Wake your iPhone by raising it or tapping its screen, glance at your iPhone to unlock it. Then you swipe up from the bottom of your iPhone screen to begin using it. So what they're doing is they're storing parts of your face, but I'm guessing it's not that great. So that's why they're using the iPhone or that might be applied because I don't think there are enough data points to know whether it's me wearing a mask or someone else.

Marcus Heart (19:23)
Yeah. And I think that's a scary part about it, you know? So I know, I think it can get a lot of you know, married couples in trouble and a lot of relationships. 

John C. Morley: (19:36)
Exactly. And you know, if you accidentally unlock your phone, your apple watch unlocks your iPhone successfully. Your watch is going to give haptic feedback, which is a little bit of vibration and shows an alert. So you didn't need to unlock your iPhone, just tap the lock button on your apple watch screen. And the phone will lock, the next time you unlock your iPhone, have to tap this button. Your iPhone requires that you type your passcode. I don't know. That sounds like a lot of extra nonsense.

Marcus Heart (20:09)
I don't know if it's worth the trouble, you know, and again, if you don't have an apple watch you getting excited about this type of feature, you know, I don't know if it's worth the money either.

John C. Morley: (20:19)
Yeah. And if we're looking right now, like I said, the price of an apple watch, you know they're all over. I mean, I think the cheapest apple watch you can get is a series three right now for $229. And the series six is about $430. So I don't know. But in case you are wondering about the most expensive apple watch, how much do you think it costs Marcus?

Marcus Heart (20:56)
I'm going to say in the ballpark of maybe close to $999

 John C. Morley: (21:05)

a million dollars?

Marcus Heart (21:05)
 No, it’s $999.

John C. Morley: (21:08)
Oh, I thought you used zero as well. Well, the most expensive Apple watch right now is $114,995.

Marcus Heart (21:29)
That's not even a down payment. That I mentioned.

John C. Morley: (21:32)
Right. That's why I was saying Marcus, you're missing a few zeros. I don't know. So let me where the story here is. If you're going to wear a mask, take the mask off because, oh, and by the way, if you want to use your apple pay, you can't, you have to put the passcode in to use the apple pay because they don't want to allow that to have. After all, I think that would cause issues with the credit card companies. So they don't allow you to do an apple pay with just, what they call this express technology. What do you think about that, Marcus?

Marcus Heart (22:21)
Pretty interesting.

John C. Morley: (22:23)
Yeah, but I'm not rushing to go buy an apple watch. I just think it's, it's too much effort 

Speaker 2: (22:29)
Yeah. It is you know, my, my girlfriend, she struggled with hers quite a bit and you know, I just can't get into it, be a person.

John C. Morley: (22:41)
I get it now. I have something to, as a nice little segue, you know, we all like to have fun. And, you know, when we were a lot younger, we all had different toys from whether it be different let's say stick figures or Jojo or other types of things, or maybe we had remote control cars, or we had to pretend phones, right. That we could play with. We even had some things like the little thing where you'd pull the string and it would point-point or the cow. Right. You have those different things. But they didn't seem like they were going to do much for us in the real world. What if you could use one of those devices, Marcus, to do something that business people or adults do every day, what would you think about that?

Marcus Heart (23:30)
You know, it'll be more novelty, but you know, they take you down memory lane quite a bit.

John C. Morley: (23:37)
Yeah. So one company uses the analogy to call your childhood. So there's a phone that you're probably very familiar with by Fisher-price. It's been out many years and you could buy it for $9 and 99 cents. And it looks really cute and you can, you know, use the rotary to dial things and it talks and it’s kind of needed. Right. 

Marcus Heart (24:06)


John C. Morley (24:06)

 But you can't call anybody on it. Can you?

Marcus Heart (24:10)

 No, you can't. 

John C. Morley: (24:11)

Well, recently Fisher-Price made a working chatter phone for adults because they claim quote, unquote, we're all broken inside. First, I want to let you know chatter is not $999. You can start getting orders for chatter for $60 at your local stores, like best buy, etc. So now if the baby's first phone that he or she plays with can now make an actual mobile phone call. That's pretty wild.

Marcus Heart (24:49)
Yeah, it is.

John C. Morley: (24:50)
So, all right, let's talk a little bit about this. So you've seen chatter before and you've seen the child version of it. It looks like a little cute innocent phone that really couldn't call for help or do anything. So one thing it has you know is an old-style rotary dial and it can connect itself to your cell phone. So it makes calls through your cell phone. It connects through Bluetooth, very similar to the way you connect a headset or anything else to your you know, or iPhone or another device. So it works with iPhone and it works with Android. And so once you pair your device you know, it talks to you. So it has some easy let's say instructions that are pretty much all on board. So he speaks when he turns on it can next to your phone via a Bluetooth a little mail voice says, hi there, you're good to go. Chatter says every single number you dial. Now, I don't know about you, but whether you have to dial a 10-digit number or an 800 number, it takes a while to dial all, right. By pulse styling.


Marcus Heart  (26:14)
Yeah, it does. There's a reason why rotary phones are not available. Why it's, why spread anymore.

John C. Morley: (26:23)
It's very, very interesting how it works. And so there's an optional speakerphone for hands-free talking. And he does ring for incoming calls and you can answer with a simple pickup, outgoing calls begin just by picking up the receiver and dialing. He has rubber wheels, so he'll never roll off your desk. And he even has a little switch to make sure that those wheels don't roll when they shouldn't and keep him locked in. So it's the first time there's been a mobile phone. It doesn't hide the fact that it's watching you. There are two little eyes that kind of cutely and nonchalantly looking at you to engage you, to want you to use him, or if you're watching online to want you to buy him. So chatter is rechargeable. He has about nine hours of talk time, but one thing you would think chatter probably would have would be a wireless technology for the handset. Sorry. You have to use the cord.

Marcus Heart (27:33)

John C. Morley: (27:35)
So that's a big hike Marcus, from 7 bucks to 60 bucks.

Marcus Heart (27:45)
Yeah. I think Fisher-price was swimming for something that they can jump into the like.

John C. Morley: (27:50)
We're, we're probably going to do an unboxing on this. This is something I think I may want to play with just to let people know about it. So the toy association, trade group calls this, the Kittle trend, and it got its fuel. You know, wherefrom the pandemic, as adults turned to toys to bring some levity into their lives,

Marcus Heart (28:16)
This is something that's going to continue. I'm wondering, John, do you,

John C. Morley: (28:19)
Do you, yeah, well, chatter's not the only Bluetooth enable receiver right now that can tap to your childhood. There's also the banana phone, exactly what you expect. It's a banana, it's $20, less, it's $4. And the banana phone supposedly is a great way to get your kids to talk to their grandparents because they'll want to talk to fruit. I don't know.

Marcus Heart (28:49)

 Wow. Wow. 

John C. Morley: (28:49)

And you won't have to hand your child a million dollars or a thousand dollars to call grandpa because they're just going to love talking with a banana

Marcus Heart (28:59)
That's cute.

John C. Morley: (29:03)
But there is a downside. The company claims people are going to become very addicted to singing the bananas phone song. So all in all might be a time to get chatter, but you might not be able to get chatter because everything happening. So chatter's been around for a long time and each talk kids, what phones were used for before apps. Now there's one other thing about the chatter that I thought should be there, but it's not, there's no app Marcus, for chatter.

Marcus Heart (29:37)
No, it's not.

John C. Morley: (29:39)

Marcus Heart (29:41)

John C. Morley: (29:42)
I don't know if he's worth 60 bucks.

Marcus Heart (29:46)
Yeah. That's the curious part about that, you know, and I mean, it's a good conversation starter if you got it in your office somewhere, but other than that, you know, I can't see

John C. Morley: (29:56)
The value. I can see myself using it and I know, and I watch some people using it. 
The volume on the speakerphone. Wasn't that great? You have to turn the volume up on your phone because it doesn't have a volume for the speakerphone on it. You have to turn it up. Cause, the volume comes through your cell phone. I don't know. I think it's a fad Marcus, you know? 

Marcus :(30:22)
Yeah. I think so too, you know, just like any other novelty product that may come out, you know, and I think people are reminiscing from the toy story movie, so, and you know, it's just toy story.

John C. Morley (host):(30:34)
That’s exactly right. So this would be something to get that adult kid that has everything in your family or that adult that acts like a kid all the time because we're always a kind of heart when you don't know what could buy him or her, but I would race the store and get it soon because it might be sold out by the time you want it for your holidays. So we've talked a lot before Marcus about Alexa. All right. And some new things have happened with the new release of Alexa. I'm not sure if you're familiar with some of these, but there are a couple of new things that they added to it as, as well as something big that they took away from Alexa. So the first thing they have is the new two-minute drill on Alexa. Have you heard about that before? You there, Marcus?

Marcus :(31:27)
No, this is the first I'm hearing. This is the first I'm hearing about this.

John C. Morley (host) :(31:30)
So the two-minute drill you can ask Alexa to say play the two-minute drill for a short pre-game show about any NFL team.
You can also ask Alexa, play something on Netflix. We'll launch a movie or show you might like on fire TV devices. You can tell Alexa to open TikTok. It opens the TikTok TV app and Alexa plays TikTok and starts playing videos. Alexa, what are my deals? Let’s you shop for great deals on top brands. Here's another one. You have your phone and you want to take your music to your let's say the little ear, your device plugin, say, Alexa, move my music here. You can go to your car and say pause. Then you can go back to your Alexa in the car and say resume music. I don't know Marcus. I don't know if they're that useful.

Marcus Heart(32:40)
No, they're not 

John C. Morley (host):(32:43)
But there is a feature what's that? 

Marcus Heart (32:48)
 Yeah. I can see where it's benefiting, you know the NFL and TikTok, you know, I, can see where it's benefiting them.

John C. Morley (host):(32:56)
Yeah. And you know, another funny thing. So a lot of people use Alexa to read their email. Okay. Well, I got some bad news for you. Amazon is discontinuing the ability to talk to your outlook and email inboxes.

Marcus Heart(33:22)
Why do you think that is?

John C. Morley (host):(33:24)
Oh, I know why that is. It's going to an unlink from outlook and Gmail it’s a security issue.

Marcus Heart(03:34)
And I think this is something people are pretty suspicious of anyways in the first place.

John C. Morley (host):(33:42)
I think a lot of these giants out there from Google to Facebook to now the new meta to there might be another company who knows. I just feel that they don't have the consumer or business owner's best interest in mind.

Marcus Heart(33:58)
No, it is all about also self and profit and what you can do to, you know grab as much data as possible so that you can sell it.

John C. Morley (host):(34:11)
Yeah. But this is a problem that, you know what this also means. It's probably not going to be able to link in it may not be able to link it to your calendar. Alexa, what appointments do I have today? Oh, I'm sorry. I don't have access to your calendar anymore. How's that going to play out?

Marcus Heart(34:35)
Yeah, it's really unfortunate because of some of the convenient things and, and now it's being removed because like the potential concern about bad acting within those giants you know, it's going to be unfortunate. You're going to have to adjust these things.

John C. Morley (host): (34:54)
And you know, the funny thing, Marcus, I honestly believe that something could have been done to save this. If there would've been a consortium formed to protect us, to make sure data was not being exploited. That's what I think.

Marcus Heart(05:12)
Yeah. No one stepped in front of this thing soon enough. They, they waited to the last minute technology advanced far faster than, you know, most of the common sense minds, if common sense even exists of many of our so-called leaders.

John C. Morley (host): (35:29)
And so, you know what they did, Marcus, they just said, okay you know, we're just going to take it away.

Marcus Heart(35:40)
Yeah. You don't do that to a spoiled child.

John C. Morley (host): (35:44)
I don't think it's the right thing to do.

Marcus Heart (35:47)
No, it's not

John C. Morley (host): (35:50)
Right. Somebody should have stepped in.

Marcus Heart (35:55)
It's going to be kind of hard to fight before it to come back now. So for a lot of these things, a lot of these changes you know. This is going to be quite interesting.

John C. Morley (host): (36:09)
It's confusing. I mean I think if they would've just done the right thing, Marcus, this all could have been avoided. I guess they just didn't want to bother.

Marcus Heart (36:19)
Not at all

John C. Morley (host): (36:19)
Right. It was all about them thinking about themselves and they just didn't want to do what they needed to do. I, I think it's terrible. I think they definitely should be watching these things because I feel Marcus that if people would keep an eye on these things, we wouldn't have these types of security breaches.

Marcus Heart(06:48)
That's right.

John C. Morley (host): (36:51)
We've talked about this before.

Marcus Heart (36:56)
Yeah, exactly. You know countless times John. And you know.

John C. Morley (host): (37:01)
So speaking about time and time again, time is interesting. We've all gone to the library, right. And we've taken out books before.

Marcus Heart (37:13)


John C. Morley (Host) : (37:13)

Well, there was a gentleman that had a book that wasn't one day or two days behind. How many weeks or days do you think that he had that book out? He returned it.

Marcus Heart(37:34)
I wonder if he racked up close to like two years’ worth

John C. Morley (host): (37:38)
well, one thing I want to tell you is in Bergen county, they stop charging fines for books that are late. Okay. Now you ready for the days, Marcus, better sit, you better sit back for this. They just decided to make it that there is no fine for books. Okay. They're late. They just decided to do that. And it's a good thing. His book Marcus, was out 20,075 days.

Marcus Heart (38:17)
Wow. That's I can't

John C. Morley (host): (38:21)
That’s kid family that’s 55 years,

Marcus Heart(38:24)
Man. It's gotta be a book that was long forgotten.

John C. Morley (host): (38:28)
And so most libraries charge what I think they charged. Like I think they were charging like I what are they even charging now? How, how much did libraries charge for books?

Marcus Heart(38:42)
I can't think of the last time I've been late.

John C. Morley (host): (38:49)
Well, a lot of them I know here have stopped doing that. They've ended the fees.  And I think it's an effort to get people to come back. New York has owned, has stopped it, New Jersey has stopped it. Okay. It was 5 cents per day was the average. Okay. So we said that he had his book for 20,075 days, roughly. Yeah. And times 25, he owes the library $5,019 and 50 cents plus interest.

Marcus Heart(39:40)
Oh wow.

John C. Morley (host): (39:42)
So the bookstores really, and the libraries just wanted their books back. And the next question is, what was the book that he took out?

Marcus Heart(39:54)
Yeah. I'm very curious because if he was able to find that book and

John C. Morley (host): (39:59)
The family book, a verse by Lewis Gannett and he returned it to the Memorial middle school library, as the lady said the other day, a bit late Thursday evening, this past week, 55 years too late. But the librarian said better late than never, a man who went into the school a few days before Valentine's day and spoke to a police officer there. He said he had something to return. The vice-principal with the man said he had a copy of 1961, the family book, a verse by Lewis Gannett. He borrowed the book from the school's library in 1964. He said the man received late notices about the book, but never thought to return it. He found the book while cleaning out his basement recently. And I quote, he was very active as a lacrosse player and wrestler when he was a student here and he took the book out because he had a rich interest in poetry back then the man said, instead of putting it in a slot, he felt like he should bring the book in. He felt guilty. He closes the quote.
Marcus Heart(41:20)
Wow. That's a long time to have that on your mind. 

John C. Morley (host): (41:25)
I mean, the fact that they released the fine, I think that just really says like boatloads right there.

Marcus Heart(41:32)
Yeah. It does. It probably was a big relief for him.

John C. Morley (host): (41:34)
Well, he did, he had no idea, but to think about, I don't think I've ever known somebody to take, we've all taken books out in grammar school to high school, but I know usually they come after you, like, you know, when you graduate, it was like, I know and I always returned my book, but I think I had gone out for a project and I think it was out an extra few days. And the librarian came to me and said, you know you have an overdue book. I said you have three days. And she had a whole schedule of what you owed her. And she collected. And she went after people was like do you know such and such? She has “To Kill a Mockingbird”. He owes 675. And so she would go to the teachers to find out. And what she would do is? she would ban the kid from taking out future books.

Marcus Heart(42:26)
Yeah. That was very true when I was in school too.

John C. Morley (host): (42:29)
And so there was one book that he wanted to take out and he couldn't, they needed to take a book out for his science class. And he says, I can't take the book out. The teacher went to the principal, the principal went to the library and said, Mary, you can't do this to him. He needs the book like this isn't for him. This is for school. You have to let him take the book out. So as you let him take the book out, as soon as that class is over, she was like right outside the door. Can I have my book?

Marcus Heart(43:01)
Yeah. Those librarians can be notorious. 

John C. Morley (host): (43:05)
They were, I won't, I don't want to say they weren't nice, but they had I don't know something missing, maybe it was a personality.

Marcus Heart(43:16)
Yes, indeed.

John C. Morley (host): (43:18)
You know, it was like, you know, back then we were doing things on microfiche. Do you remember that Marcus?

Marcus Heart (43:25)


John C. Morley (host): (43:25)

And you were looking up articles on microfiche we had CD ROMS, but microfiche was more popular. And whenever you had to copy on microfiche it was more money than to copy on paper from the photo machine. I remember when I was doing photos, the photos weren't free, you gotta pay for them. And then I remember going to college, I think at college, it wasn't that I think they charged 10 cents. Now it's probably a lot more, but you couldn't just put money in the machine. You had to buy a copy card. You could use it anywhere around campus. And I remember whether I was doing let's say copies, or I was just trying to print out maybe a term paper. You had to have a copy card even to use a laser printer. 

Marcus Heart (44:13)


John C. Morley (host): (44:15)
And sometimes you'd have to print that out late, but then something went wrong with the copy card and copy services were closed. And so you couldn't do anything because nobody could help you till tomorrow. Unless you had a friend that'd say, could I borrow your copy card? And I'll give you back the 10 copies or whatever I owe you. And then it was funny because you know, if you gave them if you took 10 or 20 copies off their card, you know, they didn't want money. It's like here I'll give you the money. No, I don't want the money. Just put the copies back on my card. So I have to go down to copy services. I borrowed 10 copies from Gwen. This is her student ID. I want to pay you. Can you put them on her card? Oh yeah, we can do that. They didn't want the money Marcus because they couldn't use the money to make copies. The copies were more valuable than the money. I could give somebody $10 and they didn't want the $10. They wanted the $2 in copies, even though they could go down themselves and put the $10 on and make five times more than what I was doing. If he does more, they were just lazy. Marcus.
Marcus Heart(45:28)
Yeah. That's very true.

John C. Morley (host): (45:31)
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